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The U.S. Ministry of Defense's Intelligence Service reported that Russia has used North Korean ballistic missiles to strike Ukraine.

This conclusion was drawn after comparing missile debris found in Kharkiv on January 2 with images from North Korean state media, noting similarities in specific missile components.

U.N. experts confirmed that the debris originated from a North Korean Hwasong-11 missile, indicating Russia’s violation of the ongoing arms embargo.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 5 months ago (2 children)

...indicating Russia’s violation of the ongoing arms embargo.

I mean, I get that legitimacy matters and that Russia is on the UNSC and all, but every time I read about this, it feels kind of surreal. Like a lawyer triumphantly arguing that the person who is currently is burglarizing someone's house is parked illegally outside of it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

It also means NK can probably be sanctioned more, because they are the supplier and their economy isn't doing so well as is

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's not North Korea's behavior that's being highlighted, but Russia's. Russia had agreed to sanctions on North Korea at the UNSC and is breaking those sanctions. It's not a good look to be on the UNSC and impose sanctions and then break them yourself.

North Korea can do whatever. They aren't obliged to sanction themselves.

My point is just that, in relative terms, "I'm gonna annex my neighbor, time for glorious Russian Empire 2.0" versus "I'm gonna trade for weapons from some sanctioned country to help me do so" seem almost ludicrously out of proportion. I know that there's political sense to bringing it up and all, but...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

I'm not sure there is any more the hermit kingdom can be sanctioned, other than getting Russia and China to actually honor the existing sanctions. (Ha!)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Did people think they were supplying missiles to Russia with a moratorium on them being used in Ukraine?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

It matters on a geopolitical scale when it comes to logistics and weapons procurement. South Korea has an enormous production capability when it comes to military industries. They currently have the largest output capacity for tanks, and we're talking about modern technologically advanced tanks, not cold war era relics.

They've also been ramping up their supply chains to focus on things like artillery shell production and naval vessel production. However, they currently have a law that prevents them from supplying weapons to nations actively engaged in a war. But, that law has a clause that allows them to ignore the mandate if North Korea is involved in the conflict.

Legally roping North Korea into the conflict could solve a lot of supply problems for the west. If that doesn't work, the next option would be to sway public opinion enough in South Korea that they change the prior legislation.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

So, did they push it across the border and detonate it, or did they actually get it to fly this time?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Much like Israel used US missiles to kill people in Palestine, no?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

no, because there is no embargo vs israel yet

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There will be soon enough.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

By who?

Either highly doubtful, us gave Israel a blank check for the removal of Palestinians from Gaza.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Because, at our current breakneck speed to global war, there will come a time when those in charge of starting said war will be held accountable. It may be by a very small portion of survivors, but it will be done. And then the history of it all will be written.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I do think that israel will pay for this degeneracy in medium to long term. The world took notice.

With that said, they will finish what they started because US allows it and the world community will need to do their job and Israel hold israel accoutable for the war crimes.

There is but so much dark money lobbying will do when public opinion has turned and fake news can't spin the facts anymore.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

And like the US used US missiles to attack the Houthis last night

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago

All of this is one big theatre

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 months ago

That’s different… somehow.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well, I guess we can now give Ukraine rockets to strike within Russia?! Right?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Nah, I think by putin's logic that means we're allowed to bomb north Korea.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Surprised this isn't on the noncredibledefence community.