Biden plans to send $1bn arms shipment to Israel (www.bbc.com)

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[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Man Biden is really trying to lose the upcoming election isn't he. A year ago I would not have predicted that he would fuck up such an easy reelection this badly, but here we are. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory I guess.

Apparently Biden has always been this shitty when it comes to Palestine. Some things children just never grow out of it seems.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Millions of children never grew old because of Kissingers little psychopathic padawans in Washington for decades now. Those children don’t care about this one losing or winning his little beauty contest.

And millions of children will die in the future no matter whose dick is being sucked in the Oval Office. There are more omnipotent deciders who decide who lives and who dies.

This greedy, bloodthirsty, manipulative, sociopathic voting won’t change anything no matter who wins.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Wot? No more crocodile tears? Fucking hypocritical genocidal cunt

[-] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Hes really pulling a Hilary with this shit.

Intentionally throwing away an election he thinks is sure fire win for him, because Trumps the only other option.

The risk isnt people turning to vote for Trump, the risk is people that would have voted for him not voting at all. . Because he'd rather doom a people to extermination than fix his own country.

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[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Don't you know Trump is gonna genocide harder? Some shitlib told me yesterday trump will conduct a real genocide, as if the one happening in front of our eyes is fake

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

If you're going to define your movement as anti-genocidal you should really have a firm grasp on what genocide is and who is committing it:

Article II of the Convention defines genocide as:
... any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Hamas, what Israel has been clear they intend to destroy, is not a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. However, Jews/Israel/Israelis, what Hamas has been clear they intend to destroy, are. Therefore, legally Oct 7 was an act of genocide, and Israel's war on Hamas is not. Such a designation has nothing to do with body count.

I support Israel because I oppose the genocidal. Binding their hands and preventing them from retaliating in self-defense only serves to support genocidal Hamas by keeping them in power.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

You support Israel because you oppose the genocidal.This is one of the most batshit insane things i have read on this site,you really cannot have typed that with a straight face.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

"Look at me displacing almost 2 million people and bombing their homes and cities whole to the ground one by one. It's not a genocide though, because I haven't explicitely claimed that my goal is to commit a genocide."

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

The thing is, Israel's leaders have expressed genocidal intent over and over again. Just read South Africa's allegations at the ICJ. They have the receipts.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

It's almost as if words mean things and have specific definitions, especially legal ones. Feel free to criticize such behaviors with different accurate words for things you don't like.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

"Yes, it is a genocide," says an Israeli Holocaust scholar

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Israel is not committing genocide in Gaza, some Jewish scholars stress

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

On the other hand, genocide was committed in October, when Hamas brutally attacked the Jewish state, murdering an estimated 1,200 people, Schiff said.

…and the article lost credibility. If what Israel is doing isn’t genocide, then what Hamas did can’t be genocide.

Looked up the people quoted in the article. Rabbi Danny Schiff is an ethics lawyer from Pittsburgh, not a genocide scholar. Avi Ben-Hur, who is more qualified to speak on this said:

“We have a monster on our doorstep,” he said. “We were caught asleep. We had horrible things done to us. It’s not a question of payback. We have to retrieve our safety and security so people can go back to their homes and live their lives like normal people. We have to degrade the monster’s offensive capabilities so this can’t happen again.” source.

Calling them “monsters,” and dehumanizing people, doesn’t gain my trust.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Oct 7 literally is an act of genocide, see my post above. You're saying they don't have credibility because you don't understand what genocide is. This designation has nothing to do with body count.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Even if the definition of “genocide” is ceded. The crimes against humanity outlined in the ICJ against Israel and the ongoing humanitarian crisis created by the ongoing conflict is damning.

If we wait to call it a “genocide” after it’s already been committed, then the world will have failed Palestine.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

If someone punches you to death, declaring they weren't trying to kill you doesn't make them any less guilty of murder.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

If someone punches you to death, declaring they weren’t trying to kill you doesn’t make them any less guilty of murder.

Actually, in the US it could. Intent is the difference between murder and manslaughter.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Curious how you moved the goal posts from "not openly stating one's intent" which was used as justification to claim what Israel is doing is not a Genocide to "not having intent" which is what defines the difference between murder and manslaught.

People are convicted of murder all the time when they didn't openly said their intention was murder if it can be shown beyond reasonable doubt that it was their intention.

So the previous poster's point holds very well and you just further dug the grave on yours.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

If so then the wars in Korea, Vietnam, and Chechnya were all genocides.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

When entire civilian populations are bombed or starved, then yes. The US is not free of war crimes. They’re merely immune from the consequences.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

Not just the US. Chechnya was invaded by Russia. German civilians were bombed by the UK and USSR.

In fact, it's hard to find a large-scale modern war that didn't cause thousands of civilian casualties.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Absolutely, there were millions of civilian casualties in WWII. The difference here is that there have been, according to Israel, only 273 soldiers killed in ground operation combat vs the 13,000 civilians killed on Gaza’s side. (According to the new, lower estimates.) This is not so much a war as a one-sided beatdown.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Are you really suggesting that every asymmetrical war that is conducted successfully is genocide? O.o

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

No, I’m saying that if a nation has such a huge advantage they also have more responsibility to select targets carefully so as to not kill noncombatants.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

A nation taking lots of casualties has the same responsibilities as one taking few casualties.

That said, the proportion of civilian casualties to the total population of Gaza is comparable to that of Chechnya and less than in Vietnam, North Korea or the East Front of WW2. Unfortunately, civilian casualties are an inevitable part of modern war.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I mean, there isn't any obligation in war to make sure casualties are evenly distributed among both sides.

Normally, a lopsided war ends only when the losing side surrenders.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Now you're getting it

[-] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

"Genocide" is just another word for "war"?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

When it's targeted at a specific group of people and there's such a dramatic power imbalance, yes. Whether modern definitions agree or not.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

All wars are targeted at a specific group of people.

So if your definition amounts to a highly favorable balance of power, then all countries at war would aspire to make it a "genocide".

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

All wars are targeted at a specific group of people.

Yes, my wording was vague. But say you went to war with Canada, a diverse nation. It would feel different if you broadly targeted all Canadians rather than specifically indigenous Canadians, or black Canadians, for example.

And putting this on the table now: I am Canadian and I recognise my country was built upon its own genocide.

Edit: Someone else feel free to chime in, I still don't feel I am conveying this well

[-] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

Ok, then why would a hypothetical US invasion of Canada (which today, unlike in 1812, would be imbalanced in favor of the US) be better than an Israeli invasion of Gaza?

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

It wouldn't be better but the circumstances would determine whether my mind would immediately jump to calling it that. I'm not necessarily quick to jump to claiming genocide but I won't readily denounce it.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

Fair enough, but if an invasion of Canada is not necessarily genocide then there must be more to it than attacking a less powerful neighbor.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Take your hasbara bullshit somewhere else. According to that same organization you took your definition from, an occupying nation like Israel can not claim self defense when attacked

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[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Are you talking about the Trump that won't quit talking about how antisemitic Biden has been in the Gaza genocide?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/09/us/politics/trump-biden-jews.html

Imagine seeing someone yell at a rapist in the middle of raping that they aren't raping viciously enough and then thinking that it would be good to send that guy in there instead. I agree, no rape would be best, but I'm pretty sure the victim in this case would prefer the current rapist over the one complaining about how the current rapist is being offensively gentle.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Beyond your disgusting analogy, if you think Palestinians give a shit who sends the bombs to Israel that are going to kill them you're not living in reality.

Tell me you're voting for Biden on domestic policy grounds, and I'll agree with you because that's my plan, but stop dressing this up as anything that's not as bad as it could be

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Do you realize that if today the casualties on both sides of Gaza and isreal since October happened again, and then every day that many more is added, let's say 40,000 per day. If we continue doing that every single day, we wouldn't reach the world war 2 casualties until 2027. So yes, things can, and have very recently been much worse.

Biden is a bastard, he is blowing up gazan children daily, and I hope the universe makes a special exception for him and creates a biblical hell. Trump calls this "level of restraint" antisemitic. Trump is in extreme debt, angry as hell, and he has a bunch of racist anti-muslim fanatics he's trying to please. He can absolutely make things worse.

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[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Love me, I'm a liberal

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[-] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

It's definitely not a genocide. Not sure about fake probably just not a genocide.

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[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Can’t wait for tomorrow’s most upvoted posts on Reddit and Lemmy teaching us how the other clowns from the rival circus are still worse. While condemning the killings of children in Gaza with those weapons sold today.

It’s impossible there was ever a society this manipulated and stupid.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Don't they have a point though? Your system is broken and the lesser of two evils is all you ever get to pick.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Yeah but when you point that out you're called a idiot for unintentionally backing Trump. Any criticism of the system or Biden no matter how deserved somehow is support for Trump

[-] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

The package can be blocked by Congress if a majority in both chambers object.

Reminder that Biden has already went around Congress this year to send weapons to Israel.

Checks and balances only matter when it can be used to stop things voters want for some reason.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

Fuck Biden!

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