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God damn it'd be great if we could stop supporting the fascist religious shitheads in charge of Israel.
fuck this goddam fucking system thats going to force me to vote for this old cunt
Are these motherfuckers TRYING to lose the election and thus democracy to a fascist conman?! 🤦
Genocide Joe is a fascist con-man. Anyone defending this is a hardcore tankie.
What a shocker. God, I wish I could afford to leave this country so that my tax dollars weren't funneled directly to this genocide.
They literally are not.
So. do you think Netanyahu pinched his nose or something. you know. while biden was sucking his dick off? "withhold weapons, are you...?"
it'd be nice if one of the most powerful men in the world actually had a fucking spine.
Biden withhold and still withholding bombs. I am actually not sure if it is wise decision in terms of civilian casualties - I am not sure where more civilians will die - with precision bombing and ground attack or just ground attack (supported by tanks and artillery).
"precision bombing" You toss 2,000 pounds of explosive onto an area. That has a lethal radius of about 380m, or a lethal area of 0.45km². Rafah has 1.5 million people sheltered in an area of 64km² So 23,400 people / km²
So each of that bomb puts on average 10,500 people at risk of death or serious injury.
This is not to excuse sending other weapons. Anyone who still sends weapons or any form of military equipment or money to Israel now is willfully complicit in war crimes, massacres and genocide.
It is not 2000 pounds, it is “up to 2000”.
So we are only talking 5,000 people at risk with every bomb? Or maybe only 2,000? Well that is a steal!
I understand that lemmy behaves as if Israel is completely reckless and even has as his goal to kill as many civilians as possible. This is not the case if you look at the numbers. If you look here: https://civiliansinconflict.org/our-work/conflict-trends/urban-warfare/ then you see that typical ratio of civilians killed in urban conflicts is 90% or 1:9 (military:civilian).
If you go with 14000 Hamas fighters killed and 35,000 total killed, that means that 21, 000 civilians killed (this number, by the way includes natural deaths and death from Hamas rockets malfunctioning and falling inside Gaza). This is ratio 1:1.4. If you go with Israeli civilian casualties estimations, then the ratio will be close 1:1. But even with Hamas reported numbers, the ratio of civilian deaths is 6 times better than in typical urban warfare. Far from general perception that Israel being reckless.
It is quite possible that it is partly due to precision bombing and that removing this resource from Israel arsenal will have negative effect on civilian to military death ratio.
Israel declares anyone who is male and at least teenage as killed Hamas fighter. There is dozens of videos of clearly unarmed civilians being executed by the IDF. Their numbers of alleged Hamas fighters are highly unreliable.
I have not seen anyone with reputation claiming that. Hamas itself does not object against these claims. And at this point even if they are inflated by factor of two, it would be still good ratios.
Also, the ratio of civilians killed versus military fighters killed was good for Israel in the past. And nobody objected that either.
As for clearly civilians being killed - of course they are. But IDF is not Hamas - they do not target civilians on purpose, and as numbers show, they are quite accurate in killing fighters. Are there IDF fuck ups who actually want and kill some civilians? Most likely. In any large scale military such things exist, but they are exceptions which are investigated. IDF is no different than any other military in that respect, including US.
I understand that echo chamber exist here on fediverse, but the more I study the actual facts more I come to conclusion that the citiation is quite different as most here trying to paint. People react on videos that a) difficult to understand without context b) in terms of statistics are exceptions, not a rule. The overall situation is different and you can’t make conclusions by couple videos.
I'm so very confused by this situation. For those who are against supporting Israel. Can you explain to me rationally why you think Hamas doesn't deserve to be wiped out after Oct 7th? I'm not denying the civilian casualties I agree it is unacceptably high But that doesn't caragotize what's happening as a genocide. But Hamas has said they want a high casualty rate they are using their civilians as human shields. Would you really suggest Hamas should just be able to get away with Oct 7th because they are hiding behind their people. Like what is your answer if you were the one making the choice here? Please I know this is an inflammatory topic but I promise I'm only trying to understand your opinion on the matter.
Can you explain to me rationally why you think Hamas doesn’t deserve to be wiped out after Oct 7th?
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You want me to explain why a foreign government shouldn't be "wiped out" for a war crime?
By that logic, why shouldn't Israel's government be "wiped out" for the attacks on civilians leading up to it?
Or at least for their actions after it where they killed 10x more civilians and destroyed billions in infrastructure?
And that's not even getting into how Israels government draws no distinction from someone who lives and Gaza and belongs to Hamas.
Your logic just doesn't seem to be consistent, and you're focusing on the one time Hamas did anything comparable to how Israel has treated Palestinian civilians over 70 years...
Burning babies in their cribs and slaughtering mothers in front of daughters is not a valid form of protest.
So why didn't we do anything when Israel is doing even worse?
Literally, right now they're doing worse to a lot more people...
And before 10/7, they were still doing worse to even more people...
So why focus on that one day and ignore literally everything else?
Like, you realize the people from Hamas on 10/7 are the families of Israels prior victims?
If Israel is justified in what they're doing because of 10/7, why wasn't 10/7 justified?
If none of it is acceptable, why are you only focusing on the one day Israel's were the victim over every other day they were the attackers?
Sure, so you want to treat this conflict like it didn't start on 10/7. Ok.
Do you believe that the 20 year campaign of suicide bombing perpetrated by Palestinian militants was a valid form of protest? Did you grow up seeing the charred skeletons of buses on TV? Did you know that this terror campaign was so vicious that Israel had to forcibly relocate Jews that had lived in Gaza their entire lives, who's families had lived in Gaza for generations? Would you define this as ethnic cleansing by Palestinians?
Do you believe that the Yom Kippur war surprise attack was a valid form of protest? Did you know that the Arab countries position was to refuse any peace deal with Israel, even when they were offered the return of the Sinai and the Golan?
If you think that Israel has a responsibility to ensure aid enters Gaza, then surely you believe that closing the Suez to Israeli shipping was a casus belli for the 6 day war?
Do you believe the attempted genocide of Jews by their Arab neighbors in 1948 was a valid form of protest? Do you think that Arabs have the right to enforce a racially pure population? Have you thought about why 20 percent of Israelis are Arab? Is it possible that these were honest folks who did not attempt to commit a genocide against Jews?
Have you stopped to think why Jews, who have existed in the area for thousands of years, no longer have extant populations in Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Yemen, or Iraq? Have you considered the possibility that they were ethnically cleansed by their Arab neighbors? Have you heard of the Farhud? Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
Edit: the instant downvote without any rebuttal demonstrates how inconvenient the truth is pro-Hamas supporters.
Only the desperate do suicide attacks. It's sad that they even have to resort to such things. They weren't militants. I heard some of them were young adults who had nothing else to live for.
They couldn't attack anyone if their land wasn't stolen.
Jews still exist in Iraq. Israel pretended to be Arab terrorists and tried to trick them into becoming Israelis. It didn't work. Israelis allies made Yemen HELL for everyone. That's when Israel capitalized and took in Yemeni Jews. Israel absorbed the Levantine Jews.
France helped with the Suez Canal thing. They knew they will betray Egypt. Israel's creation was a giant backstapping. At every step.
I know you drunk the koolaid as soon as you mentioned Arabs have cleansed the area of Jews. The real truth is the Arab culture absorbed everyone in the region. The Philistines, Judahites, Isrealites, Arameans, Lihyanites, etc. You clearly have been forced fed lies and propaganda your whole life.
Also, stop crying about down votes when talking about a sensitive issue. Are you really going to break down every time the rain of lies that makes up your upbringing gets challenged?
Yes I want you to explain how the extreme brutality of what Hamas soldiers did on Oct 7th compares to Israel relating. Have you watched the videos? I'm not denying the treatment of Palestine citizens by Israel but that does not give Hamas the right to do what they did on Oct 7th. Again watch the videos Hamas themselves recorded during the attack. They killed those people because their religion told them to. Hamas themselves said they will keep doing it again and again. I understand the death toll is high. But again what would you rather do? I'm just trying to understand your logic. I don't know how to wage war but I can take an educated guess that it's pretty difficult to tell the difference between a Gaza citizen and a Hamas solders as they don't wear any kind of uniform and purposely hide amongst civilians. I'm not defending killing civilians in asking what your alternative strategy would be. Or how you think Israel and us should respond. Because zero response is an unacceptable answer.
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So why aren't you calling for Israel's government to be wiped out when they've spent decades killing way more civilians?
I don't think you understand that part.
If you think that should happen to Hamas, but not Israel's government.
Then you're just saying Palestinians have no human rights but Israelis do.
Like, you're mad at someone punching back, but not the person who spent decades punching first.
Well if I'm being honest from what I know it sure doesn't seem like Israel punched first. Can you educate me in what you mean by killing more civilians? Like are you talking about similar retaliatory attacks killing civilians more civilians. Because currently I understand why is Israel is killing more civilians. I'm not arguing it's right. I don't think there is a right answer here. I do think the context of the attacks matters. Hamas has stated very clearly they intend on perpetrating Oct 7th again and again. Jews being in their holy land is literally against their religion they have said this repeatedly. You can ask a Hamas solder why he's fighting and he will tell you this. Can you provide an alternative to what Israel is doing? I've asked several times. I wish I had an answer.
Here's an example from 2021
But you keep saying you have no knowledge on this subject at all...
You shouldn't be asking for random social media accounts to explain shit like this.
Like, is this really how you think it's best to learn about geopolitics?
Asking strangers online?
It's not like this is some crazy niche.
It's just hard for me to believe you're sincerely asking these questions and are so opinionated that Israel is in the right. I'm not responding anymore.
I didn't say I have no knowledge of the subject or did I ask you to teach me geopolitics. I asked you to explain your opinion on the matter. When it comes to understanding someone's opinion I find it best to ask the person directly. But you haven't really responded to any of my questions so I'm still pretty confused about it for the most part. I'll read the article you posted. But it seems you think the civilian casualties give Hamas the right to do what they did and Israel just should take it and not respond. If this is what you think definitely disagree. It's ok if you don't believe me. All I can do is say what I'm doing and you take it however you want.
But it seems you think the civilian casualties give ~~Hamas~~ Israel the right to do what they did and ~~Israel~~ Gazans just should take it and not respond. If this is what you think definitely disagree. It’s ok if you don’t believe me. All I can do is say what I’m doing and you take it however you want.
Why is that not equally valid?
Be more specific about what you're talking about and I can respond. Different people and circumstances matters. Context is important.
Biden doesn't want to win this election.
Do you get it yet? We have to move on past Biden if we don't want Trump.
Move where? If not Biden, then Trump this election.
If people didn't PTSD themselves into staying with Biden for the last 7 months we'd have a different candidate by now.
This election has the worst two candidates ever. If this isn't the time to jump ship then it will never happen.
For real, Biden should not have been the candidate, and now we're stuck with him.
There's still 6 months. I liked what Cornel West told Mehdi Hasan during his interview. It was along the lines of
"I'm not likely to win but if all the stars align then I can't capitalize on it if I wasn't there".
A lot of life comes down to participating and a large part of the result can be luck. Even if there's a 1/3000 chance that a third party would win, this would be one of the more likely elections in which that could happen if a massive migration wave happens from the Democrats to a third party candidate.
Most people are voting Democrat because they feel there's no other option. The second they feel the wind blowing differently they will jump ship.
In semi convinced the way forward would be to remove biden from office on January 1st after voting him in. Deny Trump and then tell the dems absolutely not try fucking harder.
Weekly Biden gaslighting complete, quick ship some $700m in tank shells they ran out shooting at tent camps in Rafah!
The package disclosed Tuesday includes about $700 million for tank ammunition, $500 million in tactical vehicles and $60 million in mortar rounds, the congressional aides said. They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss an arms transfer that has not yet been made public.
So that's 1.36 Billion.