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[–] [email protected] 388 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Absolutely no surprise there. When you keep the barrier to entry low and throw in an algorithm to increase β€œengagement” via outrage, the soup turns to poison quickly.

This is why every time someone says the Fediverse is β€œtoo confusing,” I just smile and nod. That attitude of petulant, lazy, self-imposed gatekeeping is what’s keeping the Fediverse a much nicer place to be.

[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 year ago (4 children)

If the β€œhot” and β€œactive” filters continue to work as expected and bots get reasonably moderated or blocked, I don’t even think Lemmy needs a high barrier to entry or petulance. The most important thing is to not optimize any recommendation or sorting algorithm on session duration, ads seen before closing session, and revenue per user.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

This is so true and people seem to have a really hard time seeing this. The cultures on other social sites are far more manufactured than we'd like to believe. I think the human driven systems of Lemmy and Mastodon are brilliant but the true killer feature of the fediverse is going to be an open content recommendation algorithm. A collectively developed non-profit driven algorithm would undoubtedly be better at surfacing positive impact content than either system.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (16 children)

It's like IRC. Just zany enough to keep out the riff raff.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My first instinct would be to say, "This is the 21st century, learn to use a damn computer already!" But then I think of the long term and WANT people to think it's too hard to join Mastodon or Kbin, just to keep the average IQ of these sites above room temperature.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Absolutely agree. I love the high barrier to entry and how it has kept the conversations (for the most part) more substantial.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's concerning just how many people can't be bothered to spend 5 minutes to pick an instance... Keeps it nicer for us though

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I don't really think it's fair to pretend that, before two weeks ago, anyone under god had any idea what an instance was unless they were already heavily tech-oriented.

It took me hours of trying to read through not-my-kind-of-jargon to understand what the hell I was looking at and what kind of consequences that unexplained choice would have, and it really seems like a good number of users that initially struggled forget the learning curve extremely quickly the moment they're over it.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It took me hours of trying to read through not-my-kind-of-jargon to understand

I started off going down that road of trying to understand it, but my laziness and impatience got in the way and said "just start using it and you'll work it out." And that's exactly what happened for me. In a way, the explanations made it all sound much more confusing than it really is. Sometimes you just gotta take a deep breath and dive in.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (7 children)

There was no learning curve for me. I randomly picked an instance LMFAO!

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well said! A high barrier to entry, and a low barrier to exit working as intended. Let's enjoy the good times while they last.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Its not even a high barrier. You just have to choose an instance from a list.

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[–] [email protected] 108 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Great, and they’re going to try to federate? Hope it doesn’t go well for them.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seriously, day one and it’s basically Stormfront Lite

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[–] [email protected] 97 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Maybe we'll finally be cool enough to get banned - Klanned Karenhood

Oh, you could have been that cool already. Just do as Ijeoma Oluo did.

  1. Provoke the racists. They will come flooding into your inbox with death threats.

  2. Report the messages to Meta so they can say, "doesn't violate our community standards."

  3. Screenshot the messages and Meta's enabling response, and post them publicly on your Facebook page to show how seriously Meta takes right-wing death threats and hate speech.

Done. Banned "for posting hate speech." You could have been cool all along, Klanned Karenhood. You just have to go after the right people.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've reported some fucked up shit yet somehow it never violates their standards.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same on Twitter. Back pre-Elron I was suspended for the stupidest crap: I said I thought Trump would be too old to run for office next year, as he lived an unhealthy lifestyle. That was "wishing harm or violence", like, what? I didn't voice an opinion about whether I was all happy about that or something, just simply made that statement. Then someone was joking about the Will Smith thing and something about Kid Rock and I said Hillary Clinton should be the one to slap Kid Rock. That was also horribly violent of me. I appealed and they said NO, YOu are VERY BAD, SORRY. What a waste of time. It's offensive, too. Meanwhile I've reported things like people saying vile racist insults and literally saying they want someone to die, and I get the reply that sorry, they reviewed it and the comment was fine. I'm sure the process is even worse now.

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly apps like Threads and Twitter should just be a containment site for these types of people. Let them be...

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If threads scoops up all the people who turned twitter and reddit into celebrity gossip meme ghettos and keeps them in the shallow end of the pool then everybody wins

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We're this close to conservatives referring to trans people like ((this)).

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I thought they went beyond that when they started calling for the "eradication" of trans people and suggesting they should face firing squads.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago

Nazis have always been the most progressive, referring to Jewish people as the gender neutral (((them))).

[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Holy shit, they launched Threads pre-enshittified. Massive time saver if you ask me.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah I see it has already became a toxic shit hole. Need the toxic people for that sweet rage engagement.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

Rage engagement...That's a good way to describe it...Now what if we combine the words...Enragement!

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've never had to block one person in my entire time on the Fediverse.

I've had to block a dozen in the first hour on Threads.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

As the internet becomes more available, mass adoption leads to communities that are very unbalanced. And, more often than not, leaning towards personas we tend to avoid in real life. Reason being, the barrier to entry is not as high. Curiosity is a byproduct of education/environment and lead people to apply resourcefulness to uncover sites/forums/messageboards with like minded people. Yes, echochambers in a way, but these echo chambers were not driven by political beliefs, but rather simple mannerisms and etiquette. Toxicity on sites like Youtube, Reddit, Threads, Twitter, have increased, because Curiosity didn't drive discovery/account creation, ads or fomo did instead. Mastodon/Lemmy (Fediverse) communities, in my opinion, are still driven by curiosity. For how long, is the question I'd like to impose.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I am shocked by this turn of events. Shocked I say.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Momsforliberty. It does not matter where they go. Pure toxic.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Looks like its just the Zucc's edition of Musk's Twitter.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Why is everybody on these platforms "4 something" now? Politics isn't football, you don't pick your team and have to let everyone know about it.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Threads is already banned in Europe and won't withstand the scrutiny of Federation. Too many bigots. I'm certain Zuck doesn't care either way. The thing is set up as an advertising medium for the GOP. Same old Cambridge Analytica scheme repeating.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago

Aside from political views, another social network will not help anything and is only another useless app to install.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago

Clusterfuck is happening!

In my country all the influencers are announcing the same things using the same template. I wonder if it's a subsidized or monetized shill.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Time and time again, it has been proven that "absolute free speech" online just attracts the absolute worst kind of people.

I did expected them to fail immediately, but this is way funnier than I expected. They either need to start banning immediately and start throwing money at celebs to use Threads, otherwise no one mainstream will ever advertise there.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well.....as long as those types are happy with that shit, it means they won't come to the fed.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Maybe someone can fill me in on this because I don't know anything about it. "LibsofTiktok" is clearly just a right wing actor making liberal viewpoints look stupid, yeah? No one who actually identifies as "liberal" would ever willingly call themself a "lib."

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago

The woman behind it has become a kind of conservative celebrity. She doxxes random people, especially teachers who talk about their sexuality on TikTok and sends her minions to harass them. In the past, she has caused bomb threats to children's hospitals for providing gender affirming care. She is about as despicable as a person can be.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago

She is behind bomb threats to the children's hospital in Boston. She is 100% ghoul.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

"LibsofTiktok" is clearly just a right wing actor making liberal viewpoints look stupid, yeah?

Yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libs_of_TikTok

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

so goddamn exhausting

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

Zuck is going to make it real friendly so it’s gonna be nice and safe for advertisers

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To delete your account, you will have to delete your Instagram account as well.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

Good. People should delete all of their Meta accounts.

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