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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really like this. I'm sure politicians are at least a decade away from considering it though.

It should not be viable for office workers to drive their V8 turbo diesel ice cap melter in to the CBD each day. Would need a sizeable levee to make an impact to that behaviour.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The longer they wait the more invested people will be in heavy cars and the less viable it will be.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The problem is that manufacturers are only offering larger and larger and larger vehicles and aftermarket companies are marketing heavier and larger modifications and accessories.

Even the smallest 4WD on the market, is larger than the previous model. The largest Dual-Cab Utes able to be driven on a car license are substantially bigger than their previous models.

Previously, Tradies would drive Coupe Utilities and their Single-cab/tray variants (and before that Panel Vans) which were compact sedan- shaped at the front. Nowadays, tradies have no choice by to drive Dual Cab Pickup/Utes, Vans or Light Trucks.

Aftermarket manufacturers push non-crash tested bullbars/roobars/nudge bars in lieu of crash-tested factory bumper bars and sell accessories that significantly increase the weight of the vehicle, especially roof-mounted.

Meanwhile, driver distractions are up due to social media and real-world social expectations, despite technologies designed to minimise distractions like DND modes and Safety-conscious In-Car specific UIs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is a big part of the answer. Try telling someone that a full size sedan from the 80’s/90’s is the size of a modern compact car and most still respond that they won’t drive a compact because they’re “too small”. Reality is that vehicles have been designed larger year over year and people don’t want to shift out of the model that they think is “the right size”.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I once borrowed my father in-law's Holden Statesman when I was on an interstate trip.

Well over ten years old, oil leaking piece of shit (It's a Holden).

I'll tell you what though: as someone who has never owned a large sedan, I was absolutely blown away by how much room is available in the boot.

It was cavernous! I had a bunch of projects to carry out that involved hiring a bunch of gear. I was fully prepared to hire a trailer and I never had to. That boot would swallow just about anything. Multiple bodies!

It was way more practical than my wife's SUV boot, and I never even had to put the seats down which I would absolutely have had to do with either of our more modern cars.

I was also blown away by the fuel economy. A supercharged V8 getting waaay better mileage than our tiny 4 cylinders. Power to weight ratio off the charts and I have to admit very nice to drive.

It would be super cool if someone was still making practical cars like that.

Alas, we've lived in the boonies for many years now. Where we live a proper 4x4 system is not really an optional requirement especially during the wet season.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

What are they, hermit crabs?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No the problem is that governments arent legislating standards and are letting australia be used as a dumping ground for models that cant be sold elsewhere.
As the article mentions people are getting tax breaks to buy these things and then not using them for work. They're buying dual cabs to take their kids to school and go mudding. Not to visit work sites.

The vast majority of these tradies could make do with a van and a trailer. Their tools would be more secure and they'd have more space for hauling. But tradies arent buying these things. People who want to look like tradies are.

It also mentions that they've caused an increase in morbidity and mortality on the roads. To get a motorbike license i had to take 2 day courses and tests and also do logged supervised hours. This is apparently necessary even though the only person i'm likely to hurt on a bike is myself. People driving these light trucks dont have to get any special licenses or training at all.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Towing a trailer is a skill. Driving a vehicle that is larger than average is a skill.

I agree that there needs to be specific driver training; you should need to do some advanced testing to be entitled to tow a trailer or drive a larger vehicle.

Standard licences will need to be restricted to a certain GVM and a certain GCM. The problem is that the Caravan Industry and the Grey Nomads with dementia would get upset.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why bother with half measures? Block all non-essential vehicle traffic from the CBD entirely, force Wilson to move their cash machine parking lots to just outside the CBD somewhere, and extend the free tram service to where the parking lots are.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

i know right.

Too bad its only experts talking about this because they'll be ignored. But the more people talk about it the better the chances. Of course i dont want to see them taxed. I just want to see them banned.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Good, the size of cars is really getting out of hand. It's affecting visibility if you're driving a normal sized car too.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A simple change to the registration fee that scales it up proportionate to Vehicle weight would be a perfect fix for this. They could even scale it down for ebikes / motorcycles and create a much simpler system for evaluating how rego is charged?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

NSW already does this and it doesn't seem to have reduced the rise of larger vehicles, though admittedly the price difference isn't massive for most cars (e.g. a Camry would fall into the $330 category while a Hilux would be $505).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It would need to scale pretty high. Wealth inequality is the root cause of this problem.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A levy charged to people who drive large SUVs in the city has been mooted as a possible way to curb Victoria’s “skyrocketing” road deaths since the Covid-19 pandemic.

Among the strategies put forward by the ACRS to help mitigate the problem were financial disincentives for the use of large SUVs, which are known to particularly affect vulnerable road users such as cyclists.

Commercial vehicles provide some of the highest risks of killing road users when they collide with them, but that disbenefit is not offset by any safety benefit to their own occupants,” he said.

Paris last month moved to charge SUV drivers higher parking fees to reduce pollution and tackle “auto-besity”.

While financial disincentives have been shown to benefit road safety in Europe, Australia must first remove incentives encouraging the purchase of large SUV-type vehicles, Newstead said.

Marion Terrill, a transport and cities expert at the Grattan Institute, said Australia’s fringe benefits tax exemptions “incentivise the purchase of larger vehicles”.


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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The incentive needs to be towards the lightest possible vehicles, albeit perhaps with some allowance made for the substantial additional weight of current EVs so as not to kill off uptake, and they’ll need to be substantial.

We’re in a market where almost everything is an SUV. There are manufacturer line ups and whole sectors that are little else. A levy will be ineffective at changing buying patterns.