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A tiny, low-priced electric car called the Seagull has American automakers and politicians trembling.

The car, launched last year by Chinese automaker BYD, sells for around $12,000 in China, but drives well and is put together with craftsmanship that rivals U.S.-made electric vehicles that cost three times as much. A shorter-range version costs under $10,000.

Tariffs on imported Chinese vehicles probably will keep the Seagull away from America’s shores for now, and it likely would sell for more than 12 grand if imported.

But the rapid emergence of low-priced EVs from China could shake up the global auto industry in ways not seen since Japanese makers exploded on the scene during the oil crises of the 1970s. BYD, which stands for “Build Your Dreams,” could be a nightmare for the U.S. auto industry.

“Any car company that’s not paying attention to them as a competitor is going to be lost when they hit their market,” said Sam Fiorani, a vice president at AutoForecast Solutions near Philadelphia. “BYD’s entry into the U.S. market isn’t an if. It’s a when.”

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 6 months ago (4 children)

A tiny, low-priced electric car called the Seagull has American automakers and politicians trembling.

Hyperbole as rhetorical device is getting exhausting and makes me extremely skeptical.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

This whole article is just paid marketing. Some AP journalist didn't tear this car down and analyze its build quality.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Specially when you see the stats and it has a 190-250 mile range and a max speed of 81 MPH. And even the article points out they cut costs with things like having only one windshield wiper.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 6 months ago (1 children)

a threat to US auto industry? You promise? Cus US auto industry is a climate killing powerhouse of gas guzzling SUV's. Any politicians wanting to pretend to be capitalist, or to be in favor of the environment, let me buy this car.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

No one i know under 50 years old wants a giant truck or suv, and thats all they wanna sell us. My only friends with new car $ bought a small wagon, which is all I'd want myself.

Those huge electric pickups are too heavy for our guardrails on top of everything else; it's insane and dangerous to let the big three make car culture here even worse.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

I know so many boomers with fucking monster vehicles. Even my car nut friends daily drive sedans and small EV's. We're not idiots or rich.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

No one i know under 50 years old wants a giant truck or suv

Where could we even park them if we did? My garage barely fits the two sedans my wife and I need to get to work on opposite sides of town, in a city with functionally no mass transit.

I might not mind owning a single SUV if I used it exclusively for long trips and as a make-shift camping van. But I simply do not have the acreage in my postage-stamp lot size of a three-story walk-up to host more than that. Not that some of my neighbors don't try, clogging all the sidewalks and curb spaces with their monster trucks.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The bigger issue is the U.S. auto dealership industry.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2023/11/09/car-dealerships-ev-sales/

If dealerships refuse to sell EVs, what can be done? Especially in states where cars can only be sold from licensed dealerships?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

If dealerships refuse to sell EVs, what can be done?

Direct sales, which is becoming increasingly popular in a car market where dealership market ups price people out of purchases.

Especially in states where cars can only be sold from licensed dealerships?

We'll see how long that lasts. Dealerships are the last great American petty aristocracy in a business environment that's increasingly all about absolute monarchies. Tesla has already been lobbying hard to overturn the ban on direct sales in Texas, and is doing plenty to end-run the system in the meanwhile. Amazon would love to get into the automotive market (we'll see where they go with their Rivian partnership). Silicon Valley hates these guys for getting in the way of their own drop shipping schemes. And its just a matter of time before the dam bursts.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 6 months ago (8 children)

I don't see a problem here. If the US auto makers are so worried, they should buy a few of them, copy their secrets, and sell them at a marked down price.
Turnabout is fair play, after all.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 6 months ago (9 children)

They'd prefer to sell you a giant SUV or truck with massive profit margins and so they can continue to flout emissions standards.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Don't forget our big three are just chomping at the bit to get in on the subscription model. Oh, you want 'good' brakes, well that's $19.99/month. And there's no 'secrets' to the chinese cars, I am willing to bet that they are just selling them at a loss. It's not like they have to report real earnings to anyone.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

They are just trying to kill the entire car industry. Which, at this point I could give a shit about. Car manufacturer seem to think that a car should be an investment… Except it depreciates.

Personally I’m not sure I would want that car as my only vehicle because I only have space for one car, but if I get a bigger place with a two car garage I would definitely be interested in a small electric car that doesn’t break my budget. I would probably use it 1/5 trips.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I saw an article somewhere on lemmy recently that had some commentary from an American tear-down r&d type shop that said they think BYD makes a small profit on them

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Very interesting. But the cynic in me says that even if we could tear it down and learn from it, we would manage to negate the savings with other costs. If they are making a profit, even if it's tiny, that would still negate the tin foil hat people from being able to say they are just using them in infiltrate our nation with their spying and devious ways. Well one would think, but tin foil hat people will find a way to work around that, because what's the best way to hide that you are infiltrating our nation then making it look like you are making a tiny profit. (Taps forehead..)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

This is an EV. There isn't any emissions to be concerned about. At least not from the car itself.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 months ago (20 children)

OK but let's talk about the practical thing, how do I, a random American, get one?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I don't know if the laws have changed but (for some reason I forget), a dealership hear imported two three-wheeled small pickup trucks from China within the last decade or so. So it was at least possible within the recent past somehow.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Leverage your precious free market capitalism and compete, assholes. It's not a threat, it's an opportunity.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

So, there's a guy Silicon Valley Billionaire named Peter Thiel who released a book back in 2014 called "Zero to One", in which he advocates for the monopoly system and claims any good businessman ultimately seeks to corner the market.

The US car market has been consolidating over the last 40 years, in an effort to cartelize and ultimately monopolize the automotive industry. We've passed a host of regulations and taxes that compel foreign manufacturers to build and assemble cars domestically, to partner with US car firms, and to absorb parts of the market American firms don't want to occupy (US firms have functionally given up making small cars - almost everything is a truck or an SUV now). And we've unleashed our investment banks on East Asian industries, guaranteeing financial control of the largest firms in Korea, Japan, The Phillipines, and Taiwan via our international system of credits and debits.

The goal was never free markets, it was captured revenue streams. As we enter a new high surveillance age, vehicles are increasingly part of the always-on Internet Of Things information network used to continuously monitor anyone with enough money to afford a cellular device.

Excising firms like Huawei, ByteDance, and now BYD from the US marketplace is about cementing that captured state of the American economy and tightening the surveillance network. These are absolutely perceived of as threats, because they don't integrate into our controlled networks. Until Chinese businesses are willing to submit to Five-Eyes surveillance and the Chicago School Economics of the New York banks, they're not welcome in our country.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (8 children)

China: offers affordable EV

US Auto: NOoooooooooooooo!!

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The Big Three have already had Biden's ear for a while on this, which is why he's quadrupling tariffs on Chinese EVs this week. Source

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

What? The big three are trying to rig the game in their favor again? I'm very surprised! ...not really, it's business as usual from them.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It doesn't. That car will never be here without direct investment in U.S. factories.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Wikipedia ~~doesn't have an article in English~~ but does have one in French :
https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_Seagull
Speed, max : 130 km/h
Range : 305 km with 30 kWh sodium? bat. pack,
... 405 km with 38 kWh Lithium bat. pack
Lower cost sodium ion (?) battery tech.
https://www.moniteurautomobile.be/actu-auto/nouveaux-modeles/byd-seagull-11000-et-des-batteries-sodium-ion.html
Electric motor : TZ180XSH (permanent magnet synchronous for higher efficiency)
Kerb weight : 1,160–1,240 kg

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes it does: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_Seagull

Might be a connectivity issue on your end (or the mobile link playing up).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Thanks, I put a strike through over the ~~offending~~ part.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Cars which won't pass inspection in the US and are only sold in China are no threat to anything.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (3 children)

and are only sold in China are no threat to anything.

The export model, the Dolphin Mini, is expected in Europe in 2025.

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