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An Israeli missile has hit Iran, two US officials have told the BBC's US partner CBS News.

Iranian state media is reporting that flights have been suspended over several cities, according to Associated Press.

Iran has been on high alert after Israel said it would respond to an Iranian attack against it on Saturday night

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Oh FFS. This had better be an extremely limited response to Iran's response to Israel's bombing of an embassy. Here's hoping it's just the same type of symbolic attack that Iran made last weekend - all show and no intent. Just Israel refusing to let anyone else have the last word.

Anything more serious and things are about to become very messy and even more expensive. Although it would explain why Israel is suddenly arranging to get dozens of jets from the US in the last month or so. Lord knows they don't seem necessary if the only goal is to keep blowing up Palestinians.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Although it would explain why Israel is suddenly arranging to get dozens of jets from the US in the last month or so.

Forgive what feels like a nitpick, but we should take a moment for wider historical scorn. WaPo at the end of March:

Last week, the State Department authorized the transfer of 25 F-35A fighter jets and engines worth roughly $2.5 billion, U.S. officials said. The case was approved by Congress in 2008, so the department was not required to provide a new notification to lawmakers.

Biden owns the fuckup, but it comes after all the shit Israel put the administrations of Dubya, Obama, and Individual 1 through, and after all the atrocities upon the Great March of Return and the other surges of conflict. The planes could fill another allies’ order, the MIC could get their warbucks, and Joey could have kicked the can down the road, but here we are.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Wait.

So, in response to the 300 weapon systems that US/Israel roughly blocked all of. (1 casualty from defensive shrapnel)

In turn Israel launched 1 missile, and it hit?

Ooof.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I'd be careful about considering Israel's defense as a complete success, or at least an easy one. According to Israeli sources cited in this article, achieving that result cost Israel as much as $1-1.3 billion USD, and I can't find out if that includes the price of interception by other countries - a lot of the heavy lifting was done by the USA after all. Given that they say that's the cost for Israel specifically, I don't think it does but I can't find sources. Regardless, it's a big bill for an attack that everyone knew was coming days in advance and gives a sense of the economics involved in an open war several times more intense.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

Iran also gave notice of their attacks.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

In response? What response? Did you forget israel assasinating top generals in an embassy

History is starting on April 13 lmao.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Irresponsible decision from Israel, the initial exchange seemed justified with no reason to escalate things.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It wasn't justified by israel the first time either. Anyone with iq above room temperature knows Israel is doing all of this for a reason .

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

To drag the US into an Afghanistan-style quagmire conflict with Iran, something American evangelicals and far-right military gumbas have been chomping at the bit for since the Carter Administration?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We don't want to go to war in the middle east. You are 100 percent right that some conservatives have been after that forever. Luckily I hope that as a nation we have grown past policing the world and being involved by sending troops. We can't handle another war right now.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Conservatives? Who is president right now?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Did you read the comment I responded to?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

Yeah far right evangelicals. Aka Joe Biden.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

These posts always focus on how USA are the bad guys for support Israel, but I wonder how popular this war is in Israel. Do the Israeli people support what Netanyahu is doing?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

They support the Genocide of Palesitnians, but attacking Iran had a majority opposition. Because Iran can shoot back.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It would have been nice if this world wasn't run by fucking children.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Epstein already proved that and allegedly a Mossad agent. How much blackmail does Bibi have on Biden?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Biden expressed his love for israel way before Netanyahu was a political candidate.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago

True dat... Biden, "I'm a Zionist," knows his place.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I wish the EU would grow a backbone and tell the US to stop stoking fires in our backyard

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Germany and Italy are also big on giving aid to Israel so Idk if the EU is going to be able to help either.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Germany pretty much makes it illegal to even say anything negative about Israel

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It is not illegal. You will only get publicly humiliated, have your house raided on bullshit reasons and if you get any government funding for anything you did, you can say bye bye to that. Especially if you are jewish and dissenting to the zionist agenda. Jews are disproportionaly targeted by these measures. Because nothing protects Jews form antisemitism, like targeting Jews that "stepped out of line" in the eyes of the pro zionist government.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago

I don't disagree with you there. Labeling people as antisemetic and a Nazi has been used as a weapon for a long time to target anyone that went against the Zionist agenda.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

World War 3 just what we needed. Thanks Biden.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Please explain how Israel attacking Iran is Joe Biden's fault? He said the United States would not support a retaliatory strike against Iran's retaliatory strike. All the blame falls directly on Netanyahu and the Israeli government.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The US is Israel's shield... Israel can only afford to be a belligerent bully bombing embassies because nobody wants to get involved in a war with the US. The US is enabling Israel's worst behaviors.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You're right. Before this protection, they tried several times to wipe Israel off the map.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Nope, they didn't. Even the expression itself is the result of a deliberate mistranslation by pro-Israeli propagandists trying to bolster the completely bogus victim narrative of by far the most militarily powerful and active country in the region.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hmm, Iran calls for it constantly. Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan tried several times. You can't just pretend history didn't happen.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Iran calls for it constantly

Do you have a credible source on that? Because propagandists keep claiming that without backing it up with actual evidence that they're not just making up whatever fits their narrative

Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan tried several times.

None of them anywhere near successfully and none of them in this millennium.

You can't just pretend history didn't happen.

And you can't just greatly exaggerate decades old events and pretend that they represent an imminent and existential threat.

I mean, you obviously CAN, since you just did, but you really shouldn't.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Do you have a credible source on that? Because propagandists keep claiming that without backing it up with actual evidence that they're not just making up whatever fits their narrative

Turns out Wikipedia has a great article on it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calls_for_the_destruction_of_Israel#:~:text=Ali%20Khamenei%2C%20Iran's%20supreme%20leader,of%20Israel%20from%20the%20region%E2%80%9D.

I recommend checking the sources to verify it yourself.

None of them anywhere near successfully and none of them in this millennium.

Of course they were not successful, otherwise they would have wiped Israel off the map like their intended goal was. Also, your claim of not in this millennium is disingenuous. There are still plenty people alive to thought in those wars on both sides.

And you can't just greatly exaggerate decades old events and pretend that they represent an imminent and existential threat.

I> mean, you obviously CAN, since you just did, but you really shouldn't.

I didn't, that was you doing that. I was simply adding context to the person I was replying to.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Turns out Wikipedia has a great article on it:

Do you have any idea how biased an article has to be for Wikipedia to put that banner at the top of the article itself rather than just a section or somewhere on the talk page?

Also, your claim of not in this millennium is disingenuous. There are still plenty people alive to thought in those wars on both sides.

What kind of nonsense is that? By that standard, the Balkan war is still ongoing 🤦

I was simply adding context to the person I was replying

If by "adding context" you mean "repeating deliberately misleading to downright fraudulent propaganda slogans", sure.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Any information that doesn't follow your narrative is misinformation huh? That's the tactic you're going with to hide your own misinformation?

Those wars happened, those countries wanted to wipe Israel off the map. The US negotiated with them and gave most of them money to stop trying to destroy Israel. How about actually knowing history Instead of trying to come up with your own?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Any information that doesn't follow your narrative is misinformation huh? That's the tactic you're going with to hide your own misinformation?

The projection is strong with this one 🤦

Those wars happened, those countries wanted to wipe Israel off the map.

That doesn't allow Israel to slaughter Gazan civilians.

Just because I won't shed a tear when the genocidal fascist Netanyahu dies doesn't mean that he has a right to murder me, my family, all my neighbors and all the neighbors of my family.

The US negotiated with them and gave most of them money to stop trying to destroy Israel.

Bullshit. The US hasn't negotiated in good faith with a Palestinian leader since the 90s at the latest.

And even if they had, it wouldn't matter since it wouldn't stop the apartheid conditions and constant bombing that give the terrorists influence and therefore power in the first place.

How about actually knowing history Instead of trying to come up with your own?

You first, genocide apologist.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Oh geez, starting a new discussion because you were called out on your bullshit? I'm talking about surrounding countries, not the people those countries abandoned in their pursuit to destroy Israel. If you want to shift the discussion to a new topic, how about starting your own thread of discussion instead of trying to call bullshit on someone else's discussion?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You know what? Fuck this shit. You're clearly not capable of arguing in good faith or incorporating any new information into your ridiculously narrow Zionist worldview, so I'm not going to waste anymore time on your willfully ignorant ass. Have the day you deserve.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Now whose projecting? If you bothered to actually have a legitimate conversation about the topic, you wouldn't have tried steering it to a different topic instead.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

An 11 year old article quoting deliberate mistranslations of the then prime minister does not an imminent, constant, and permanent threat make.

I'd say "nice try", but that would be a lie.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

How about providing a source about that mistranslation?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Implying that Genocide Joe is not responsible for his out of control attack dog he is actively supplying with weapons

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

You must be fucking confused if you think Netanyahu is Joe Biden's "attack dog". The Israeli government has spent the last 40+ years successfully coopting the United States government.

What do you think those shifty mother fuckers would be doing in an election year if he came out against them? I agree they need to he brought to heel, but if you think that is going to happen given the existing externalities of global & US politics then you are living in a fantasy.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

"He has to support Genocide because israel controls US politics!"

Biden could just ban the israel lobby instead how about that.