Sucks to see Paramount mismanage the brand over and over again.
But, hey, I still got the 90's shows on disc, so they can't take that from me.
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Remember when they wanted to have new Star Trek come out every week of the year? Ah, that was a nice idea
Giving Lower Decks five full seasons was more than I expected, tbh.
And Discovery's last season was decent. Strange New Worlds has held up. They could be doing better, but they've been a lot worse.
I can't wait for Disney to buy the franchise and we can finally have the Star Trek/Star Wars crossover that we all deserved.
Monkey’s paw: JJ Abrams is involved in the creative process.
Don't you put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby!
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Absolutely criminal, unless we get a spinoff with them as senior officers where they do more important missions. I'm not holding out hope though
With the Texas class disaster, they create a "Arizona Class" ship which is partially automated. The lower decks group becomes the bridge crew - and the only crew on the ship. They think they are in charge, but the computer and a shadowy group of scientists are actually pulling all the strings. Can they prove that they are the real ones in charge?
That would totally work. You can bring in Section 31 William Boimler and reference the mess they made with AI in Disco season 2
So Star Trek: The Bridge, not to be confused with the game Star Trek: Bridge Crew.
Star Trek: Upper Decks, or STUD.
That's my hope, or at least more of this type of show. It was pretty successful and a good reason to at least have more silly animated Star Trek.
They already make cameos in other serieses, so those characters can live on in canon, too. Like DS9 had a lot of TNG in it.
Sucks, but better than overstay your welcome (Dexter) or get cancelled with a big cliffhanger (My name is Earl)
overstay your welcome (Dexter)
That show overstayed its welcome inside the third season. It would have been a better show as a British style 3-episode / 4-season mini-ish series. But there was sooooo much filler and soooo much recycling of plots, the edginess of killing and dismembering a guy was downright trite by the time Jimmy Smits got to the set.
overstay your welcome (Dexter)
I blame the late Manny Coto for that. I blame him for a lot of bad TV, actually. lol (ENT was the exception, somehow)
or get cancelled with a big cliffhanger (My name is Earl)
Wasn't that due to the Writer's Strike? Regardless, showrunners should never end a season on a cliffhanger when the studios have shown they'll pull the plug for any reason whatsoever.
During an interview with the "Slick & Thick" podcast, Ethan Suplee, who portrayed Randy Hickey, revealed that, ultimately, the cancellation was due to communication issues between NBC, the show's network, and Fox, the show's studio.
"We were a hit. And the network called the studio and said, 'We want to license the show for another year,' and the studio said, 'Well, we want more money. We want to renegotiate our deal with you.' And the network basically did not respond for two weeks," said Suplee. "And then the studio called back and said, 'We'll take your deal,' and the network said, 'Too late.'"
Looks like plain old incompetence killed the show.
Ah, shame, but not surprising.
I always assumed it was a victim of the Writer's Strike around the same time (not blaming the writers, obviously).
Thanks for that.
It's definitely a possibility that it had something to do with why the studios were so far behind that next year. Even shows that weren't cancelled at the time suffered terribly (Heroes comes to mind).
Regardless, showrunners should never end a season on a cliffhanger when the studios have shown they’ll pull the plug for any reason whatsoever.
I guess if contracts are signed, it's okay, but even then it's a risk (e.g. strikes). For the most part I agree, though. You need to end on a note that, at the bare minimum, could serve as a slightly unsatisfying pausing point.
I'm fine with a show grinding itself into a shadow of its former self. Long term shows like It's always Sunny had downturns but then came back.
With Simpsons, you can pick out a few episodes each new season and put together a full good season out of 4 years of mediocrity.
Especially given that seasons today are 10 episodes whereas DS9 was 20+ episodes a season.
I never really understood the point of lower decks. It seems like a show that craters to the "adult cartoon" crowd.
Cartoons do big concept high-action content cheap when live action shows have settle on cheesy low-rent special effects and set dressing. Treasure Planet, Atlantis: The Lost Empire, the Lion King - basically impossible to do right without spending a fortune a la Avatar or Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings.
Even if you aren't doing Sci-Fi, you can get a lot of mileage out of the medium simply because the artist is doing so much of the leg work. Check out "Monster" or "Perfect Blue", two shows that had originally been planned as live action dramas but got converted to animation for budgetary reasons. Also, too, "Grave of Fireflies" if you want to have your heart torn out.
Cartoon Trek goes right back to the series roots - there was a cartoon version of the Kirk Trek from '73 - and holds up better than the live action original in terms of visuals.
It's like nothing but Star Trek in jokes for fans. It's great.
It does cater to the adult cartoon crowd but it caters to trekkies in general. Mike McMahan has been a fan of Star Trek forever and as the showrunner did a lot of good universe building within the confines of the TNG era. It has a lot of callbacks and references and is just a fun and funny way to enjoy Star Trek.
I really liked it, I considered it one of the better shows in general, because being lead by a true fan and not just a writers room with notes allowed the show to be a fun little exploration and expansion of the universe, showing us the side of Starfleet we don't see very often.
Some people have criticized it for being too goofy with the argument that Starfleet officers are supposed to be professional. My counter is simply that not all officers are bridge crew material and there are so many mistakes that happen across all the random ships in the fleet that it's fun to center on one and see how it's going.
I was going to say, it has been my personal favorite star trek series since voyager mainly because its set in the timeline I enjoy the best and its aesthetics. Also, it's just fun.
Moopsy.
Yeah is it like, Rick & Morty for trekkers?
The first season is a bit like that, but it finds its own ground into season 2.
Nowhere near as crass as Rick and Morty which is a good thing
All Good Things...
...must be ended by short-sighted executive meddling.
The modern production house simply hates animation. That's the only thing I can conclude from how they've axed every anime, kid's cartoon, and live-action/cartoon mash-up on the slate.
They are going to lock Bugs Bunny in the vault and throw away the key.
They are going to lock Bugs Bunny in the vault and throw away the key.
Amateurs, he's going to appear right behind them for comedic effect.
Except The Simpsons, South Park, Futurama, Family Guy, etc.
They're on the decline. More of these programs are getting cut and fewer are going into production.
Except Futurama
Because they don't get cancelled every few seasons?
We are living in the golden age of adult animation. -Polar Opposites -Krapopolis -The Great North -Bob's Burgers -American Dad -Archer -Grimsburg -Invinvible -Gary and hi Demons -Digman -Spiderman
Well. There goes the only reason I had paramount
Guess I'll go and... archive that show, before they pull it altogether
I just buy a month once a year and binge the nacelles off, but I refuse to actually subscribe.
Six seasons and a movie!
I'd actually much rather see a good show end at a good spot rather than be dragged on and on until it's bled dry. 5 seasons isn't a half bad run.
Meanwhile, they're pushing ahead with a Kelvinverse Star Trek origin story movie, the film exactly zero people have been clamoring for.
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