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[–] [email protected] -3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

While it's good they're trying to reach out to the youth, it's not going to work on swifties.

They're very aware that so far this election she just encouraged her supporters to vote in the primary for candidates that represent them.

I think she'll say something about how important voting is before the general, but I don't think she'll actually endorse Biden like in 2020.

And if people try to give her shit for it like they did Dwayne Johnson, her fans aren't all going to respond logically.

Biden just isn't going to get the endorsements like 2020. He's doing too much shit that goes against the party platform, but the genocide is more than enough to prevent big celebrities from outright endorsing him. Biden is literally willing to risk trump becoming president over ending support of Israels genocide. And someone that makes that decision shouldn't be president.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Trump encourages the eradication of the Palestinian people, and suggests Israel’s problem is recording the atrocities.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/trump-israel-comments/index.html

He’s also said he’ll pull all support from Ukraine as soon as possible. Another Trump presidency would be worse for international policy, not to mention Americans.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

trump is obviously worse.

But Biden is bad enough he won't get as many endorsements as 2020, when trump was also just as bad but people only remembered Biden as Obama's VP.

And considering he barely won 2020 even with all the endorsements, every little bit matters.

Which is why it's insane he's still supporting Israel.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

He literally just got the endorsement of one of the biggest trade unions in the world, who said he does more than any other president for the workers. It's pretty early for endorsements, maybe you'll be right, but we'll have to wait to see.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

When's the last time they didn't endorse the dem candidate?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Doesn't this say more bad things about Republicans than it does what you intended it to?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It’s absolutely wrong, but also completely expected. The US supported Israel through the last 40 years of this conflict. It’s not new. Democrats always supported Israel, and republicans always supported Israel while encouraging active conflict with Iran. That’s why Schumer speaking out against Netanyahu was such a big deal. Bibi’s not used to open criticism from the US.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Bibi’s not used to open criticism from the US.

But he's fine with it as long as nothing fundamentally changes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Oh, make no mistake, he’d prefer Trump in the White House.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48656431

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Democrats always supported Israel, and republicans always supported Israel while encouraging active conflict with Iran.

Even Ronald Regan cut off aid to Israel before because of illegal settlements and land grabbing...

But for more recent examples, Biden and Obama fought over Israel

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/biden-obama-divide-closely-support-israel-rcna127107

Biden recounted in private that when he was vice president in 2014 and Israel mounted a military assault on Gaza, Obama and his staff rejected his belief, held for decades, that the best way to approach the Israelis is to hug them close but not criticize them, the people familiar with his comments said.

We have never had a Democrat this far right in regards to Israel or genocide in general.

What is happening now isnt normal or acceptable.

You can't just unconditionally support a foreign country no matter what, especially when you won't stop admitting it in public.

It's like an abused spouse starting every conversation with "I will never leave you". They give up all of the negotiating power.

Compare how this stuff went down when Obama was in office compared to now.

Shit never would have gotten to this point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, Reagan reduced foreign aid to Israel. Then he increased their military funding to invade Lebanon.

https://www.nytimes.com/1983/11/29/world/reagan-approves-more-cooperation-with-the-israelis.html

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So...

You were wrong, you understand that now?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

He restricted aid in order to dictate how they use it. He was no different than any other republican president in regard to Israel, and set the precedent of controlled support when this Israel-Iran proxy conflict began in 1985.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

That's not true, but it doesn't matter because we can compare Biden to the last dem president

And Biden is on record saying the only strategy that works is never criticizing Israel.or stopping aid.

But we can compare how things went under Obama and Biden, to see Biden's plan is fucking stupid and doesn't work.

Even if you somehow can't understand that it's a terrible bargaining strategy, we have real world geopolitical examples of it.

But Biden won't change his mind or strategy due to little things like facts or logic.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

When the right does it, there's no one to attack them for it. It's a luxury the left doesn't have.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

What are you talking about about?

trumps unconditional support of Russia was daily news, as it should have been.