According to Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and the UN, the Obama administration absolutely committed war crimes. Voting matters, and no matter what you think of Biden he is infinitely better than Trump, but don't roll your eyes and pretend that the people complaining about extrajudicial murder-robots are crazy. Credible institutions believe Obama violated international law with his drone program, you don't get to pretend that's fake because you don't like it.
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fully agree! but your qualms about eye rolling absolutely do not apply to me, perhaps you misread some of my tone? :) see some of the body text where i note that he has blood on his hands.
my use of the “but genocide joe” phrase was a (perhaps lackluster) dig against concern-trolling; the disturbing mincing of absolutely valid criticism of Biden into a “skip-the-vote cuz it doesn’t matter” platform that is essentially thinly veiled maga propaganda.
i do see your concern with how i phrased this, as again im totally with you in condemning Genocide Joe. if you have ideas of how to better phrase this meme i’m totally down to modify the text of it. :)
PS i fully believe that obama committed war crimes. the title of this post was not ironic, i believe that statement genuinely. bro committed attrocities that are not fake. again, not sure if you were misreading the tone there.
OK, yeah, I read this as claiming people who say, "voting doesn't matter," "genocide joe," and, "Obama is a war criminal," are all just stupid leftists. It sounds like we agree and I would have gotten more context from the post body of the post, not just the image and title. My bad. :/
no hard feelings :) your response was totally valid to a different kind of post, fortunately i’m not that !
If your vote doesn't matter so much, why are so many people telling us not to vote?
^^because ^^it ^^does ^^matter
Vote!
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all this dialogue is also such a huge spit in the face to the women and POC who FOUGHT for the right to vote. yes, it’s a right with limited scope and fraught with corruption. but to discount it altogether on the public stage is so fucking disingenuous.
"Voting doesn't change anything, it's pointless and things won't get better"
Woman's suffragists, civil rights protestors, and gay rights protestors: "Are we a fucking joke to you?"
I'll have a voting against trump is important with a side of fuck you genocide joe.
fuck joe biden. but at the same time, fuck dolan more. I'd rather have 4 more years of relative calm with a shithead that nobody likes than to be subjected to another 4 years (at a minimum) of the crazy shit which is a trump presidency.
That's good as long as it's acknowledged what the only viable method of voting against Trump is.
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I'll take the lesser of the two evils and I will vote Blue, but I wish the Dems would have found a younger candidate. At least the Democrats are not crying about suspending the US Constitution. If you vote for Putin's Sock Puppet, you're voting for a dictator.
I’ll take the lesser of the two evils and I will vote Blue, but I wish the Dems would have found a younger candidate.
I'll vote for the lesser of two evils and don't care one bit about his age. But I consider his support for genocide to be morally repugnant, and bitterly resent being manipulated into a position where my vote renders me monstrous.
Beyond regularly voting in solidarity. We need to start running these younger better candidates ourselves. Republicans run unopposed in many places on state ballots. And Democrats have spent roughly the last decade ignoring these positions. We might not win all or even a large chunk of them. But we could by accident when a few and start building new coalitions from there. Making inroads into places that had given up on getting better. Voting is only the first step.
And Democrats have spent roughly the last decade ignoring these positions.
Michelle Vallejo is 32. Democrats cut her funding in her election against Monica De La Cruz in the crucial last month, during an election cycle in which the party did ad buys for MAGA candidates.
Younger, better candidates run. Party leadership prefers a maga chud to a progressive in any given position.
Vallejo is running again. I hope she has alternate funding this time.
Yeah, that's the real issue here: neoliberals are more comfortable with fascism than progressivism or socialism, but most of the younger generation is (justifiably) disillusioned with liberalism, so of course the neoliberals Democratic Party is having a hard time finding candidates it wants to support.
The solution, of course, is to kick out the fucking neolibs that have a stranglehold on the party, but that's easier said than done.
The solution, of course, is to kick out the fucking neolibs that have a stranglehold on the party, but that’s easier said than done.
Very much so. It's why I only donate to candidates and never the party. I only trust the party to spend it on ads for maga chuds.
I wish the Dems would have found a younger candidate
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Meet 2028 presidential nominee Eric Adams
One person is a politician, and one is a rapist con artist. I'll take the politician please.
In Quebec, we have a saying that I would like to share with you. It comes from our love for complaining. We are completely addicted to complaining about everything. It's our third national sport after Hockey and curling.
"If you don't vote, you can't complain"
If you vote for a person and they don't do the promised thing, you can complain. You have an ~~excuse~~ reason.
If you vote for a person and someone else gets elected, you can complain that the person you voted for would have done a better job.
If you do NOT vote, you didn't do shit. You didn't do the strict minimum. You have no excuse to complain about any of it, because you did not participate in the decision.
but what if i want to have my cake and eat it too! i want to avoid doing the strict minimum and complain i feel like you are ignoring my emotional needs in all of this /s :)
It is rather convenient that 2024 is the year everyone is choosing to be upset about dead Palestinians, but double tap drone strikes are definitely a war crime.
https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/Publications/Rome-Statute.pdf
i mean the title genuinely. obama did war crimes. that is a true unironic statement.
let me see about editing the title it seems to be causing confusion.
edit: okay fixed. i do want to push back on your statement tho. everyone is NOT suddenly getting mad about dead palestinians. people have been pissed about the apartheid regime in israel for decades. be careful with your assertions here.
I'm happy to accept that there's people who have been concerned for a long time about Israel. I've seen protests about 15 years ago in my own city in the UK, for about an afternoon. Never saw it again. Never saw any protests about any other genocides happening around the world, like Darfur, only this one.
But what's new is linking it to a sitting US president, in an election year. Israel's genocide has been supported by everyone since Truman recognised it a day after it was set up. The USA is a genocidal country literally built on genocide.
It is rather convenient that 2024 is the year everyone is choosing to be upset about dead Palestinians
Talk about your daring takes.
I’ve seen elections tied that had to go to a coin toss. This flipped the government of a nearby town. Every vote matters.
votes 3rd party
and now we let the copium roll in
Can we try out Ranked Choice voting (or something similar) first? We don't have to pass federal reform, it can be passed on a per state basis. In fact, there is little stopping democrats from passing it in states they control.
Whats the hold up blue states?