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[-] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago

Let's face it, the goal was never privacy or security. The killer clowns in charge of US regime are simply upset that there's a popular social media platform they don't control. This is about bullying China into selling this platform to US oligarchs. It's sad and pathetic, and it's not going to happen.

[-] [email protected] -3 points 3 weeks ago

China chill? The legitimate concern is that China is controlling the way certain messages are pushed ("the algorithms") to control topics that they have an interest in. I.e. pushing misinformation to drive support for Trump or Biden, as an example. That is not free speech or privacy, that is malicious interference and the the fear of the US doing this is the sole reason China has already banned similar US apps in China. That is also the reason they would rather be banned than to "give up the algorithms" (they certainly won't allow anyone to see how they push misinformation).

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago
[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

One party scares you dumb people into believing Russia interferes with your elections, the other scares you into thinking China interferes. Meanwhile, all the interference is going on within USA by white house and Congress terrorists.

The reasons China banned US platforms is not the same as ones US is using to do vice versa.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago

A federal tiktok ban is a desperate attempt to keep young people from discussing Joes pet genocide where they can't be censored by the us govt.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Except even if they ban TikTok, that won't work. Because there's always the fediverse and nostr. If somebody wants to talk about something on social media, they will talk about it, and they will talk about it on services that cannot and or will not ban them. So good luck with that.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

The fediverse has less than 10M users. Tiktok has a billion. It doesnt compare. Its like saying we should allow banning newspapers or radio because people will still share information over phone calls

[-] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago

Well, the TikTok users will just have to create fediverse accounts then won't they?

[-] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

No they wont theyll go to instagram reels since it already is a tiktok clone on an app they already use and already has an algorithm and an infrastructure and is easy to use. Theyll just be fed alt right and anti vax propaganda now instead of all the leftist in depth videos with sources on tiktok that consistently go viral

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

This. People who believe the reasoning behind this need to understand that the same arguments were made last year and the idea was laughed at.

What's different is Biden took on another proxy war on the side of genocide and tiktok is the only platform they can't prevent using the word "genocide"

[-] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago

Which Tittok users has the US government censored?

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

even worse, this may very well become a "let's ban whatever we want" type of power to their disposal.

Not Good.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

“If lawmakers want to rein in the harms of social-media platforms, targeting just one under the guise of national security ignores an entire industry predicated on surveillance capitalism. Like all popular platforms — including those that Meta and Google own — TikTok collects far too much user data. But banning a single platform will not address the privacy problem that’s rotting the core of the entire tech industry.

If domestic social media is collecting dangerous amounts of personal info about Americans, then foreign social media under who are subject to the laws of adversarial nation-states should be seriously concerning.

The matter of domestic social media will have to be addressed by a completely different law because it cannot be addressed by a law similar to this new one. People who bring up domestic social media in discussions of this law are completely missing the point.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

From what I have seen, most people who object to a federal tiktok ban oppose it because they do not want the US government to censor the internet. I think privacy is brought up as a justification of the ban, and so opponents of the ban argue that it is selective to only focus on the app that is controlled by an adversarial country. I see the ban as addressing a symptom of weak privacy laws instead of addressing the root issue/cause. If privacy were actually taken serious by our government and not enforced selectively, then objections would be a lot less.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

I've seen that too. But they're mistaken. "Censoring the internet" is not what this law does. That's hyperbole not based on any reasonable interpretation of the actual law.

Don't misunderstand me; this is not a good law. Nobody should be happy about it. But it is prudent, wise and perhaps even necessary. Refusing to acknowledge this while ignoring that actual 1st amendment concerns that this law will be challenged on does not help your argument.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

I might get on Ticktok here soon

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Well TikTok is not just bad for privacy but also for mental health and everything else you can possibly think about so probably the ban isn't actually that bad

[-] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago

So Meta, Twitter, Snapchat and all the others who've redefined what data collection looks like and keep folks selfcenteted is fine? The only reason the US is throwing this fit is because they can't access the collected data like they can with US based data brokers, I mean social media. The key aspect of this ban is centered around freedom of speach more that anything else.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Of course but still TikTok is not a good thing imo

[-] [email protected] -5 points 3 weeks ago

No, of course it's not fine.

But if it's not fine for domestic social media apps to do it, then it's even worse for a foreign adversary to do it. Right?

[-] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

It is the same worse. Billionaires do not have an allegiance to the well-being of any nation's citizens. What is a foreign state going to brainwash us with that could possibly be worse than the existing gamer-to-far-right-radical pipeline?

[-] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

They could use their advertising platform to manipulate US public opinion and elections. And, again, this isn't to say it's fine for domestic companies to do this. But that's no argument against this law. In fact, I daresay the "gamer-to-far-right-radical pipeline" you identify is an example of this.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think I would argue against this law, IDK. It's just a slap in the face to see they recognize how dangerous the thing is.

We always knew they would do nothing to legislate misinformation, bigotry, and electioneering on the US-based platforms. But now we know for a fact that they understand these platforms are weaponized against the public.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

Far, far worse for your own country to have that data. If you live in the US for example, facebook can and does forward your messages about getting an abortion to law enforcement if you live in one of the no-abortion states. That mother and daughter both have charges now.

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