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The crying "History" button at the top right sends its regards. Yes, the World Jewish Congress has published a report that demands Wikipedia add a feature to view the history of articles, see what actions were performed by whom, and "host forums and discussions within the Wikipedia community to address concerns about neutrality and gather feedback for policy improvements". It also wants to force all admins and above to reveal their real names.

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[-] [email protected] 100 points 5 months ago

Have they never been on Wikipedia before. You can already see the edits and attribution. If their information is correct they should submit an edit and offer proof. Going to be hard for them to sweep the Palestinian genocide under the rug though.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Israel has a team of people influencing the image of their state positively throughout Wikipedia. Get fucked.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago
[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

It's working, but maybe they want to make it work even more

[-] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago
[-] [email protected] 66 points 5 months ago

Bias against Israel is similar to bias against racism/genocide, there is nothing bad about this at this fucking point

[-] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

I don’t like any bias in my soup please

[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

You're going to eat your bias and like it!

[-] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago
[-] [email protected] 50 points 5 months ago

"Balanced and Zionist in nature."

He said the quiet part out loud.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago

How about you go fuck yourself instead?

[-] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

this PDF will probably be referenced in the “genocide denial” article in the not-too-distant future

[-] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The present report does not seem intended to be an academic publication, although it has already been used as a citation in the article Wikipedia and the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

But primary research isn't allowed as a source on Wikipedia...

[-] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago

(someone smarter than me correct me if im wrong but) in this case it’s considered a non-primary source since the article is citing what the WJC said about Wikipedia (their criticism), not the WJC’s original research on the subject.

disclaimer have edited wikipedia maybe once in my life, only a small clue what im talking about

[-] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

right, i kind of used the word “referenced” there intentionally, since the actual article would likely cite an actual academic publication which speaks on the matter

thanks for the info!

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

(I meant to quote from the article but forgot to style it as a blockquote)

(speaking of which, Wikipedia's editors hate decoration, which they consider to be juvenile and include that little pastel vertical line on the left of blockquotes, in favor of the browser default of indenting the quote on both sides)

[-] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Fuck Israel.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

I am Spartacus

[-] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

They can always fork it and see how it goes.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Gee, I wonder what some murders want with the real names of people who they don't like.

Anyone curious why privacy is so important even if you've done nothing wrong?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Can you not literally see the edit history of Wikipedia articles?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The report actually suggests a new bias and neutrality editing framework with its own edit history, unrelated to existing content editing tools.

In other words, the argument is that the current editing framework does not do enough to specifically address bias and neutrality. That seems pretty clear to me regardless of current events.

I know edits to add and correct bias do happen. I agree it would be nice if power editors, at least, were not anonymous. I wish there was a Wikipedia that could only be edited be verified, trusted experts. The potential is there with the fediverse. And in fact I thought Wikipedia was working on this. I requested an invite but never got one.

Such edits for neutrality (as well as to insert bias) are made. There is a history. It is talked about and recorded. It is searchable. It is distributed. Man, you should hear these Wikipedia editors talk to each other if you haven't, it's like a different language.

Anyway: the source article suggests an extra layer to that system, with public standards and criteria supported by research, which it also proposed, and suggests that editors could be monitored for bias based on such standards.

I see the potential for draconian abuse but this is one website. As I said, I hoped there would be a fediverse instance to consolidate legitimate expert, factual information. Someone shared a website with me the other day that included such technical analysis for current events. I will link it when I get another minute.

E: here's that link https://www.sciencemediacentre.org

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Yes, that's why this is in c/nottheonion

[-] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago
[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

No, it means that the subject matter is ridiculous enough to be satirical, but unfortunately it isn’t.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I have been curious about this since the subreddit on reddit, is The Onion the magazine from Harry Potter universe that wrote ridiculous things or is it a real magazine? I always think of someone from HP deliberately writing dumb articles (perhaps Rita Skeeter named someone?) So i'm not sure.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

The Onion is a real paper (or at least while it was in print, it’s all digital now) and has existed since the late ‘80s, well before Harry Potter came along.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago
[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

By the almighty god that lives in fantasy land known as heaven, can those genocidal monsters shut up already?

[-] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

The Israelis failed to learn the lessons from WW II, because their playbook is from the NKVD and SS. Make peace morons.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Please don't do this. There is absolutely nothing strange or startling about a people who have been subjected to genocide going on to commit it (see also: Serbia).

This sort of finger-wagging is crude and insulting, and the only outcome is far-right Zionists trying to pin the Holocaust on Palestinians and claiming that Palestinian animosity towards Israel is because of a European-style irrational hatred of Jews, not its colonial and genocidal actions.

This is not a morality play.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

They did learn… there using it in smaller form.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Wikipedia is israeli ran from the top down it's not just army of IDF soldiers editing it.

For example Wikipedia lists israeli lobby organisation ADL as a "reliable source"

In 2020, the ADL trained staff to edit Wikipedia pages, but after the project caused Wikipedia editors to criticize this as a conflict of interest, the ADL said it suspended the project in April 2021. The ADL is considered a reliable source on Wikipedia, and the ADL said its staff complied with Wikipedia policies by disclosing their affiliations, but some Wikipedia editors objected that the project cited ADL sources disproportionately and did not reflect the volunteer spirit of the website, especially in heavily editing its own Wikipedia article.

Anyone that knows anything about ADL knows they are not reliable whatsoever. Wikipedia is a compromised Zionist dumpsterfire.

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