*U.S. Military delivers meals to Palestinians.*
*IDF shoots Palestinians leaving with their meals using U.S.-delivered weapons.*
America: "We're helping!"
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I read America's voice as Ralph Wigum. Which feels about right given our braindead approach to this war.
There's part of WW2 I didn't know about until I visited the Holocaust memorial/museum in DC--that Germany tried to deport the Jewish people first, which led to the US Congress voting against offering refuge to 20,000 Jewish children that could have been sent to the US. This is just one example of shit I wished I would have learned in school.
That action of denying asylum during WW2 came to mind immediately when I think about how poor our track record continues to stand when it comes to offering enough refuge to people blatantly (US Afghanistan exit) or back-channelled (Gaza) by our foreign policy choices.
IDF might identify it as a Hamas military outpost?
I mean, at least according to the article, the opposite
Let me help you:
the pier could become a target for Hamas or other Iranian-backed proxy groups in Gaza or elsewhere that still have mortar, rockets, drones and other ways to harass or attack the ship.
It also could lead to stampedes for the aid. Twelve people drowned off Gaza’s northern coast trying to retrieve food from the Mediterranean Sea on March 26, 2024.
thanks, didn't really need help.
You missed my point. The article is sooo eager to point out that Hamas could attack, they're forgetting that the IDF could as well. And in more pointed fact, of all the attacks on aid convoys.... and aid camps and anything associated with relief... it's been IDF. including the "stampede" that was caused by Israeli tanks opening fire and running over civilians. details.
The US could at any point have assisted with getting aid into Gaza over land. All they'd need to do is tell Israel to back off and lift their blockade.
Instead this gives a US base in Gaza. Obviously we are going to take this option.
All they needed to do is tell Israel
The feds can't force Texas to stop shooting migrants you think they can force Israel to stop doing anything they're set on?
I mean the CIA can kill U.S citizens if needed but I laugh that you think the U.S government can't mobilize when enough motivations appear.
you think the U.S government can't mobilize when enough motivations appear
Can you point to the part where I put forward that argument?
You think they've actually tried? Given that they're still supplying weapons to them?
Look, I'll put it this way: there is no upside to the US in any of this.
Ok, let's run the scenario: the US administration without approval from congress pulls some kind of magic trick and blocks weapon sales to Israel tonight.
What series of events do you think would unfold?
How would local politics unfold in the US, in Israel, in Palestine and in each of the surrounding countries?
Is peace now nearer? A two state solution closer?
Or would Israel, now that the bandaid has been pulled and no further threat remains, would decide that nothing will stop them, that they are on their own and they might as well just finish the job thoroughly?
Would Hamas declare that victory is near without the US involvement and redouble their efforts? Would Israel decide they need to find more reliable partners and turn to China? Or Russia? What would China do? Russia? Iran? Jordan? Egypt? Saudi Arabia?
Do you not think the US would have been much better off geopolitically for this thing to have gone away 6 decades ago? Why have they been trying with summit after summit?
This conflict has been sustained over the decades from different political actors for different reasons, some of them petty and pathetic, some religious and some geopolitical.
There are plenty of hungry sharks around ready to take their pound of flesh and it's not to help the Palestinians - we know the neighbours don't give a shit about them (except rhetorically) by the way they treat refugees within their own borders
There's no magic button to press to solve it.
This is like the 3 body problem, but really it's 20 moving celestial bodies.
I don't care about the weapons. Israel obviously doesn't need more weapons to finish their genocide.
It's just pretty obvious that you don't make a real effort to prevent a state completing it's genocide before you stop supplying them with arms.
Great, but, after that - is there a realistic next day scenario that doesn't hurt Palestinians more? If so, what is it?
You're right there's absolutely no solution remotely possible, and that justifies the complete lack of even trying anything spicier than "Bibi pls"
You're right there's absolutely no solution remotely possible, and that justifies the complete lack of even trying anything spicier than "Bibi pls"
Come on, that's a bit weak - is strawmanning the best you can do?
My guy you're literally saying there's no solution that isn't worse than doing what the current administration is doing, which is more or less nothing.
That's not a straw man. That's just restating your argument at you.
literally saying there's no solution that isn't worse than doing what the current administration is doing
That's the strawman - at no point did I make that argument.
I didn't say all possible actions are pointless, nor that I agree with how the US is handling it - which is increasingly poorly for a very long time.
I merely disagreed with your proposal in detail and asked you to defend it if you were so convinced of it.
Pointing out that cutting our nose to spite our face is a bad policy, and will do worse than fuck all to help anyone, does not equal agreement with the administration, the US or Israel or anyone or doing nothing.
I merely disagreed with your proposal in detail and asked you to defend it if you were so convinced of it.
So you're just strawmanning me? Because at no point have I made a "proposal".
What position do you want me to defend? So far my position has been that the US should be doing more to apply pressure to Israel.
How do you disagree with that WITHOUT taking the stance that any other action would lead to a worse outcome?
Pointing out that cutting our nose to spite our face is a bad policy
Again, what is this hypothetical cutting of the nose?
If you say that doing anything more than what the US is currently doing will "do worse than fuck all", how is that not an endorsement of that policy? You're saying it's the best option.
I'd imagine holding some funds back may be an effective deterrent.
We could have also put our foot down and refused to give Israel any more weapons but nah.
Fuck Israel.