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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then why has no one been “rewarded” for huge amounts of productivity increases since the 70s?

Oh. Right. They “rewarded” the CEO greedclass

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

And Ruling Class! They got Bank too.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess he's supporting giving himself a big paycut then

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

I think he owes us.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok. How far back should we go? I'm feeling the 1970s and go from there. Oh lokkie here it shows that the poor and middle class have doubled their productivity. Oh wait wages have been effectively slashed? Hmm.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

So NHS workers after COVID should be on a fair whack then

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

I agree that productivity should be rewarded, but that's not what happens. If you work hard, the company will realise that they can get the same work done with fewer employees and will reduce work hours to increase profits instead of rewarding you.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pay raises for productivity is fine, but you also need raises for cost of living increases.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

More importantly, as a centralized bank economy, it’s the government’s fault inflation exists and it is their responsibility, as and employer and monitor of inflation, to make their employees while every year. If productivity increases, that should be paid on top of pay maintenance.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The government doesn't have any responsibility for you, it's not there to serve you. It's there to govern you and make sure you stay in line.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is the dumbest opinion I've heard in a while. So the government = prison guard.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I mean analytically the comment is somewhat correct, the government in most of the world doesn't actually, take responsibility for you and doesn't adequately care for it's citizens despite claiming to be from the people for the people. Liberal government doesn't really work for the people, it works for the owning class.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Yes. Like it ever was different in any country.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Christ you sound like you like it that way.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Should a real terms pay cut be accompanied by a compensatory drop in productivity? I think it’s called quiet quitting or something…

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Quiet Quitting is doing only what was paid for and no more. Thus crap pay results in crap output.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doing your job and nothing more has been called coasting for decades, but apparently some blogger made a stupid new term that doesn't involve being quiet or quitting and that is what will be used from now on.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We got that system in the US. I just got my review. Boss says I did great, mentions a couple areas I excelled in. Shows me the review. Everything rated straight down the middle. Turns out when it comes to paying me more, I'm just a medium/ok worker.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Well, if it's any consolation, I imagine that there are lots of companies out there who would be more than willing to pay you what you're worth.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Is this the basis for MPs pay rises then?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

If Rishi Sunak told me the sky was blue, I'd look up to make sure. Scumbag.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Pay rises are supposed compensate for the inflation caused by your incompetent government, mate.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Sunak’s comments come after Bank of England governor Andrew Bailey expressed concerns that pay increases were fuelling inflation.

The Bank of England is now under renewed pressure to raise interest rates next month after wages jumped more than expected in June, boosted by a one-off payment to NHS workers.

However, amid recent inflation and rising interest rates, trade unions have taken issue with the apparent blame attached by Bailey and others to wage demands by low and middle earners.

The Trades Union Congress (TUC) general secretary, Paul Nowak, said on Tuesday: “Real wages are still worth less today than in 2008 after the longest pay squeeze in 200 years.

An analysis in June by the TUC also found that pay rises for the top 10% of UK earners, including City bosses, had clearly outstripped the rest of the workforce and had been a prime driver of recent inflation and interest rates.

Sunak trumpeted the public sector pay offers that the government had extended to NHS workers, teachers and others and called for an an end to industrial action by doctors.


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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In his case, being so incredibly shit and inept, he should be paying billions back then. This duplicitous twat should just fuck off.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

i mean...sure

but something tells me that's not what he means

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Interesting chart. I think it comes from this article on why here

https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

This article is so slimy. Sustainable here really means in relation to the fiduciary responsibility to the board. To use another C-suite term, the sustainable pay rise is often immaterial.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Fuck Billionaires lol

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I'm far from an expert on this but I thought that an increase in productivity was the end result of multiple things coming together. Investment, training, a strong economy etc etc??

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let this apply to CEOs and top management too, then.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Rich coming from him eh

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Do we start measuring productivity today or since the 1950s because one person on a PC or crane at a harbour replaced a crap load of staff in an office or dockyard - that seems Helland productive.