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"Believing in anything but the nebulous status quo with a sense of superiority is for losers." 
"My family had to flee from Eastern Europe 20 years ago, so believe me when I say that I know how bad Communism is"
lol one time I had a college classmate give a speech about his family escaping communism. He seemed Latino so by his age I thought maybe he meant his family was from Nicaragua, but it turns out he was Brazilian and immigrated to the US in 2004
They just barely escaped the lulags 
A little bit to my surprise, ol' Norman Finkelstein, in his media appearances since this latest development in the occupation, has refused to condemn Hamas. In his interview with Chris Hedges yesterday, he explained this decision with reference to slave revolts in the US, John Brown, and the Haitian revolution. I think it's a sound comparison.
Yes yes I bring up the slave revolts whenever I get asked this. Feels like a perfect comparison to me. Most libs will admit that they think slaves freeing themselves was justification for violence, and they did kill innocent people in more than one uprising.
The most common response I hear is that "this is different, Hamas is getting funding from the real bad guys who just want to attack Jews." During many of the slave revolts, there are records of voices claiming "this isn't an honest rebellion, they are the unwitting stooges of the French/Spanish who just want to attack Brits!"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qp4vErXMD9k
Relevant clip
Fucking brutal, I love it. He didn't waste any time destroying that poor kid's worldview
I love how the questioner in that clip just smiles, nods and walks away instead of further replying, like 'damn, you got me'. He doesn't seem mad about it either— he looks like maybe it's really given him something to think about.
That's a great clip, very succinct. And thankfully (for my own sake) it's gentle to the guy saying he hates violence. For me, at least growing up in America, "nonviolence" felt like a radical position because it was contrary to the infuriating common American ethos that sometimes you jus' gotta grit yer teeth and do the deed. (the deed being dropping white phosphorus on brown town)
Another case of reactionaries figuring out how to be the most annoying pieces of shit in the world
I denounce Hamas for not being similar enough to the PFLP and I denounce the PFLP for not being as strong as Hamas.
in the pretty shitty Andrew Whatsisname video where he goes to a palestine rally in america somewhere, he lets organizers and other people talk and they're all good but then of course he has to bothsides it by letting some israeli rapper dudebro speak as well.
said dudebro turns to the organizer and asks "do you denounce hamas tho" and she's like "not the right question to ask right now" and he's not having it. then he goes on to ask the camera "what if your cute sister was at a music festival..." 
so an otherwise OK segment where people get to voice actual shit gets overshadowed by dudebro essentially drowning them out with fart noises. and half the comments predictably are "oh she didn't engage with him in the marketplace of ideas, the left can't comprehend this nuanced and complex issue"
What if my sister decided to gloat about a genocide by partying next to the world's largest concentration camp? I would probably cut contact with her.
I denounce Hamas for not making it all the way to the River.
Look, if Jeremy Corbyn can still piss off literally every single rightist on the planet by refusing to dignify this question with an answer, so the fuck can you.
Sorry, haven't really followed this. Is the idea of 'the long Corbyn' that somehow he's responsible for alleged anti-Semitism outside his tenure or time in leadership?
Corbyn is responsible for everything bad that has ever happened. Despite not even being in the party anymore and mass purges of literally anyone that even mildly expresses opposition to starmer or left wing support JC still rules it with an ironfist.
“No and I don’t denounce the IRA either”
It’s all pretty much the same argument about the IRA, religious ideological differences with Hamas aside. Yes of course I support the IRA. Innocent people losing their lives is a tragedy, absolutely. And 100% of the blame falls on the UK colonizers, not the IRA though.
I always just ask if they denounce Isreal
WHATABOUTISM 
Whataboutism? What about deez nuts?
The denounce tactic is similar to red baiting where you accuse a center left politician of being a communist in order to cause them to attack communists and anyone left of liberalism. It's best to only respond by just calling it a stupid question and immediately moving on rather than taking the bait.
"Israels government helped them rise to power, so apparently it's what they wanted."
I denounce Hamas for not having a patreon account.
No, I denounce Israel for creating Hamas
This is the take I'm going to use, just to watch them process and then seeth and froth at the mouth 
I don't denounce a god-damn thing
Israel says that the Palestinians are "human animals;" that's exactly backwards. Animals are what they want. Docile cattle who will allow themselves to be penned up, half-starved, whipped, branded, and culled by ol' Farmer Zion.
Standing up, breaking the fence, and fighting back is exactly what proves the Palestinians are still human, despite Israel's best efforts to the contrary.
Yes, I denounce Hamas for not fighting hard enough. Death to America, there was no WMD in Iraq, Great Satan cope and seethe
I denounce them for waiting so long to mount a proper resistance and not taking more hostages.
"no" 
I'm just gonna keep a card with that Mark Twain quote in my wallet.
Which quote?
There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.
"Do you denounce the actions of Hamas?"
"Do YOU denounce the zionists for their treatment of the Beta Israel, whose women have been forcibly sterilized by zionists?" Flip shit back on those supporters.
If you want to know more, search online for "beta israel sterilization" without the quotes. First result is a Haaretz article from 2013 where Isn'treal admits it - https://archive.ph/yPeww .
I always answer this question with an unquestionable “no I do not denounce Hamas”
I would not denounce black South Africans for rising up against apartheid, I would not denounce Jewish people for rising up against the Nazis in WWII, and I will not denounce the Palestinian people for rising up against their apartheid government.