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We're in an obesity epidemic and most people don't know how to cook even very basic meals.

Make space for it, squish other classes if you need. Make it mandatory, everyone has to take it. Maybe even ongoing through multiple grades.

Edit: Rice, beans, and even basic meats are cheap. To eat healthy you don't need your meal to be 100% Bell peppers and tomatoes.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (6 children)

A massive contributor to obesity is the cost of healthy food versus non healthy food.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I agree. The cost of pre-made foods with a bunch of chemicals is way cheaper than fresh.

I can go to my local store and pay $40(USD) for some steak versus $4(USD) for a box of hamburger helper and $6(USD) for a pound of hamburger or even $6(USD) for a bag of fresh carrots versus 50 cents for a can of carrots, with preservatives.

Another thing too is the fact that pre-made foods are quicker to cook than fresh foods. Once again the hamburger helper contrast. It takes about 15 minutes to make the “meal” versus 45 minutes to an hour to cook the same dish from scratch with fresh food.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

Why are you looking at steak? Chicken is far cheaper. If you can make friends with a hunter you can probably get cheap meat of some variety from them.

Used to be people knew how to plan ahead for meals.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Aren't vegetables and seeds cheaper than processed food?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

but then you have to cook th... wait a second

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Sorry to hear

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Rice, beans, and even basic meats are cheap.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That's a huge part of it, but being equipped with knowledge still makes a pretty big difference, making something like an Aglio e Olio is going to be quite a bit healthier comparatively than a can of chef boyardee overloaded with sugar and salt and for a minimally longer time investment.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

There is a reason they intentionally do not teach basic life skills in school. Just like they do not teach you about money, taxes and finance.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is no conspiracy. Try teaching paying taxes to someone who won’t have to do it for a couple of years. There’s zero interest.

Instead you’re taught everything you - realistically - should need to know in order to learn by yourself, how to pay taxes.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

People just like complaining. Guaranteed if we taught taxes to high schoolers they'd complain that it's one of the more boring required classes like government and econ. Kids already hate reading assignments and math enough without taxes involved.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

To be fair, there's zero interest in most of what is taught in schools. Kids hate learning for the most part, unless it's a rare topic that truly engages them. They'd rather be anywhere but school.

We teach wealthy kids these important life skills, but we don't teach the poorer kids. Hmmm.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Do they not teach home economics anymore?

Also, a lot of finance applicable stuff is found in math. It's no coincidence that the majority of people don't know finances and the majority of people also brag about how much they ignored or hated math class.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I took home economics, learned about cooking and sewing. 10/10, would recommend.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

if i could go back and re-pick my high school classes, i would definitely have opted for home ec electives.

all i got in school was a trimester of home ec (which included sewing and cooking) each year of junior high. it was part of the core classes everybody took.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

While I agree that everyone should have at least some understanding of cooking, the problem of obesity isn't directly related to knowing how to cook. It has far more to do with the accessibility of certain types of food in a given community. The horribly unhealthy food is often a fraction of the cost of fresh, healthy food. It's not necessarily the case that don't know/want to cook their own healthy meals, it's that they literally can't afford to do so.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's impossible to even start if you don't know how to cook.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

True, but it’s impossible to do no matter what you know if it’s unaffordable

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

This used to be taught as part of "home economics". What we really need is a massive update to that class, which lives up to its name and covers:

  1. nutritional food purchasing - how to get food nutrition on a rock-bottom budget

  2. yes, how to prepare nutritious meals using the most affordable ingredients (how to properly prepare rice, and dry beans), how to follow a recipe, and the fundamentals of cooking: (how to make cheap cuts of meat edible and delicious, Why different cooking methods work in some cases, not in others)

  3. financial literacy that is up to date, and explains how the entire credit system is a dangerous trap, and how to use it safely. How and why to open credit union (not bank) accounts. How to file taxes for free, and what to actually expect for take-home pay after taxes for various incomes and situations.

  4. realistic budgeting for success. Kids need to understand that they need to expect shared living situations for most of their adult life.

  5. actual ROI of college when loans are factored in

... separate from this we also need civics class to that includes some fundamentals that are usually only taught to first year law students: how contracts work, what negligence is, what's The first amendment is and what it isn't. And how to interact with cops to protect yourself.

Civics class should also include technical walkthroughs of how to register to vote, and how to do the actual voting, and how to use absentee ballots.

Civics class should also include lessons on how to find ORIGINAL sources to gather information about which candidates to vote for, and how to choose media and fact checkers by whether those media and fact checkers accurately represent the content of the original sources.

Civics class should also tell students the technical processes of how they can run for office, and what offices are available to them at the local level.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Under financial literacy, it needs to be taught how tax brackets work. The amount of people that foolishly believe that taking a $2 raise will result in less take home pay is too damn high.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the knee jerk reaction to just not use credit cards is an over reaction. If you are in a state where you can safely maintain a few hundred dollars in a bank account month to month, then it's perfectly reasonable to have a credit card that is used responsibly as long as you don't carry a balance. I would just roll it into good budgeting and it helps you build a credit history which, though a shitty system, is still a useful thing to have.

It's not for everyone based on that criteria, but a good amount of people do fit that condition, especially if they have a moderately well paying job in a lower cost of living area, or do things like live with their parents.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Cooking class was mandatory in my school in the 90s. We learned how to make muffins from scratch, some basic (and I mean very basic) meals, and some basic home cleaning. It was better than nothing, but I was able to see who had never been shown any of it before. I had grew up cooking for myself, and I was expected to help with dishes. So none of it was that new to me. But some of the kids had never touched unprepared food before. Some had never washed a dish before. It was obvious which ones were going to grow up still not knowing how to cook for themselves beyond microwave meals and takeout.

A single course isn't going to do much to help guide a kid into being a healthy adult. Basic life skills should be a graduated course in every single year of grade school. It's the only way to engrain it into everyday life.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

here in germany it was mandatory and they did force me to cook and eat things i didn't eat. I'm vegetarian but they tried to force me to eat and cook it. i also don't eat specific other things because i hate their taste and they forced me to eat this bs.

fuck this "mandatory" courses. it's not helping to live healthy. it's forcing children to do stuff they don't want to do and gives them bad grades for it. i got bad grades just because i was vegetarian and didn't eat meat. fuck this.

each week when we had cooking class it was a nightmare for me. i always jad to explain myself again and again to everyone. why I don't eat meat. what my ethics and morals are. ever fucking week. and in the end they have me bad grades even after cooking their bs recipes. i just didn't eat them. because obvious reasons. fuck this mandatory courses.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It sounds like the actual problem was teachers / curriculum.

Here's the fun question though. If they had vegetarian options to choose from and people weren't dicks about you being vegetarian what would your opinion be?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If you make it mandatory, you have to accommodate every student's dietary requirements.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That sounds nice but misses the point of the problem. See the posts about food costs in this thread for one. Another issue is that schools here are woefully underfunded. When you can barely fix the roof, mitigate mold, buy textbooks for core classes, afford to let teachers use the copy machines or have enough basic office supplies, etc, etc, etc, cooking classes and their facilities/materials costs are kind of a (possibly lead) pipe dream. But lets face it, if schools did get funded to the level they deserved too many parents would simply make sure that money got redirected towards the school's football team.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is the unpopular part: Do it. Cut whatever else. Increase taxes. This is priority. There is a obesity epidemic.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is this an unpopular opinion? Life skills classes are a great idea, my current high schooler took Culinary (geared more towards commercial kitchens but still cooking) and is taking financial literacy this year.

If physical education is mandatory, I agree that nutrition & cooking class, as well as budgeting/financial class, are part of a comprehensive education. I think they should bring back sex ed too.

Being able to cook well is more a function of experience, all my kids can cook now, because they like to eat and it's the easiest and most affordable way to get good meals. But the one who took the class does show more interest at a younger age.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are, all kids do Food Technology in Secondary School in the UK, where we learn to cook various things.

I agree that they should also be mandatory in other countries, cooking is one of those things everyone needs to learn, and if their parents are too lazy to teach them, schools must step in.

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