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This is about the most recent version of LibreOffice on Windows 10. I can't speak for other versions.

My daughter worked hard on her social studies essay. I type things in for her because she’s a really bad typist, but she tells me what to write… but I didn’t remember to manually save her social studies essay yesterday, and for some reason the ThinkPad rebooted, LibreOffice crashed and we lost the whole thing... because autosave was not automatically on when I installed it.

No, recovery didn't work. We just got a blank file.

I rewrote it for her based on the information we had and what I remembered and tried to make it sound like what a 13-year-old would write because it was basically my fault and she did do the work. I did have her sit with me as I wrote it in case she didn’t like something I wrote, but it was sort of cheating. I'm okay with that cheating since I know she worked hard on it.

First, though, I went into the settings and turned on autosave.

I like LibreOffice, but why the hell is that not on automatically? Honestly, I don't really understand why someone wouldn't want their documents autosaved, but I'm pretty sure most people would want that.

This isn't fucking 1993. I shouldn't have to remember to save a document anymore and it shouldn't be lost forever because of it.

Like I said, I like LibreOffice. I don't really want to trust documents to Microsoft or Google. But this was really annoying.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Nah, she lost it, because your Thinkpad suddenly rebooted. Investigate that first.

And must be a distro-specific thing, it's on here by default.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Read the first line of the post, this poor Thinkpad is still a Windows machine.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Sounds like she learned a lesson in the value of building the habit of doing a quick ctrl-s every minute or so, no matter what program you are using.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (3 children)

10fastfingers.com for your daughter. Or any of the hundreds of other games and tests and practice tools. Being able to type well is an important skill in this life that she'll need.

On auto save: it should be a trivial option that's always on and always reliably saves -multiple- copies of your work

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago

Oof. I think most of us have lost work like this. I kind of think it's a rite of passage. It's how you learn to save. Good luck with the rewrite!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Lol. We came this far that forgetting to save is caused by shitty software...

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago

Learn to save often, but especially learn the limitations of the tools you have. It's not libreoffice's fault if you don't.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (20 children)

My daughter lost...

We lost everything...

I forgot to save...

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I can't recommend OnlyOffice enough. I just did a test repeatedly killing the application and the document is recovered with the default settings.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

If you’re on a Windows PC oftentimes you can go to the user temp folder and find the working document there. %temp% in file explorer.

You might have to do a little digging to find out what/where it is, sometimes they’re nice and obvious in a folder named for the app creating it, sometimes it’s a string of nonsensical alphanumeric characters.

Also: You can go to the “Tools” followed by “Options” then go to “LibreOffice” and click on “Path”, temp and backup files are stored at the location listed there, too.

Either way, I highly, highly suggest you dig around for the lost doc in that folder. It’s saved my butt a couple times when I forgot to save.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I was curious and found this thread.

https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/libreoffice-writer-crash-and-autosave-is-off-by-default/92416/4

Apparently the newest version will enable auto save by default. Not sure why it wasn’t that way to begin with…

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Thinkpad spontaneously rebooting has some part in the blame here too, no? I mean that’s why this whole fiasco happened..

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

Thank you for posting this. I hadn't run into this problem, and now I won't.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Manual save made sense when a disk write froze the program for seconds and engaged the disk drive with sounds (which I miss a little; very reassuring) but today autosave ought to be fully expected. LibreOffice really should've had it on by default.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

Manually save often. She learned the hard lesson all of us learn. I never rely on autosave anywhere. It does not always do it's job.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (8 children)

You lost it because you didn't save. You are a parent, it's time to take responsibility for your mistakes. Don't blame LO as if you were 13 y/o.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (12 children)

At work i use a $800 proprietary shit software that has a 70% chance of crashing when printing (so it crashes when job is done)

So I got used to Ctrl+S every. Single. Sentence.

Windows 10 home loves to automatically reboot to install the fucking updates IMMEDIATELY. RIGHT. NOW. And Microsoft pushed some big update just a few days ago. When LibreOffice crashes usually there's a recovery feature. It's windows. Windows wanted to install the fucking updates and it told LibreOffice to gracefully close RIGHT NOW, and NO, THE USER DOESN'T WANT TO SAVE, the user wants to get updates immediately ASAP

Btw automatically saving is a generally undesirable feature as it could reduce the lifetime of ssds, slowdown the system if the file Is big or stored on slow media like network.

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