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[–] [email protected] 127 points 8 months ago

guy who learns about abu ghraib and thinks it's good visible-disgust

[–] [email protected] 92 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

"my professor made me learn about my own country's barbarism!"

"He was anti American during the class about the time we tried to exterminate the brutes in Vietnam!"

" He said we could read Hansel and Gretel and have warm milk and cookies but tricked us and forced us to read Heart of Darkness!"

these are deeply unserious people and I wish the bottom left one in particular a very join the Marines and drown in the red sea

Edit :just saw that one was in 2007 but my sentiments still stand.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

I agree. They are deeply unserious

[–] [email protected] 83 points 8 months ago (3 children)

if it's not "plain text" he will send your essay back

Anti-Formatting Aktion

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

you can format .txt files pretty nicely if you're not a dweeb, skill issue imo

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago

Sending my prof raw .tex files like

sans-troll

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Yet your comment is formatted. Curious! :very-intelligent:

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

I just want Furr-sensei to notice me alphys-anxious

[–] [email protected] 80 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There are genuine academic critiques to be made of some of Furr's work. "He made me learn America bad" and "he made me learn about pirates and communism" aren't them.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yes. J Arch Getty - a legit Soviet historian who is a lib but is still very fair to Stalin IMO and generally very USSR-friendly - once said that Furr understands the material in the archives, but he just comes to really weird conclusions.

I think Furr is fine as long as you know you’re getting an apologist more than a historian. There’s a place for that. Furr himself admittedly (on the Proles pod) he thinks Stalin did nothing wrong. If you approach history from that angle you’re going to have blind spots. IMO skip Furr and go to Losurdo.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 8 months ago (5 children)

He actually does go off topic quite a bit. But it's 100% worth going down whatever rabbithole he goes on an adventure on.

10/10, if you get a chance to talk with him and pick his brain on random early soviet history topics, you should.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 8 months ago (3 children)

When I made /r/groverfurr the reddit admins banned it in under 24 hours with the excuse that it was a copy of a banned subreddit (chapotraphouse) intended for subreddit ban evasion.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 8 months ago (3 children)

It kind of looks like reddit has permanently marked all accounts and variously fingerprinted users that once posted often in r/cth and now they just ban any new subreddit where they start to congregate regardless of whether it's an actual attempt to revive the sub or not. It's like a soft shadow ban where we can still comment on most posts in most subreddits, but if we start talking politics with like minded people, it alerts the admins.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago

Bit idea: make a bot that makes new subreddits on these marked accounts so there are no free subreddits left on reddit-logo

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

they're doin COINTELPRO for posters. they know we can never be allowed to reunite.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

How is r/thedeprogram still up then?

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

it's really funny that a socdem podcast community became a pretext for reddit to remove any and all marxist discussion.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

Anything left of liberal is a breeding ground for critical thinking, and that opens the door for reds.

If you have just 1 single red in a space that people are listening to, more reds are made, because we are correct. Give it long enough and things get spicey.

This is why no matter how many times they exterminate us. No matter how many times they commit unspeakable crimes to set back the left, it will always come back, until it eventually wins.

You can cut all the flowers but you cannot keep spring from coming.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Furr's Natopedia page is wild. The very first line:

Grover Carr Furr III (born April 3, 1944) is an American professor of Medieval English literature at Montclair State University who is best known for his revisionist views regarding the Soviet Union and Joseph Stalin.

And the edit history is a war zone. The 2 most recent changes are someone rewording a sentence to make it less biased:

before after
Furr has written books, papers, and articles about Soviet history, especially the Stalin era, in which he has stated that the Holodomor, the 1932–33 ~~government-created~~ famine in Soviet Ukraine, was not deliberate, describing it as a fiction created by pro-Nazi Ukrainian nationalists Furr has written books, papers, and articles about Soviet history, especially the Stalin era, in which he has stated that the Holodomor, the 1932–33 famine in Soviet Ukraine, was not deliberate, describing the story of it being deliberate as a fiction created by pro-Nazi Ukrainian nationalists

with edit summary Word correction - could have previously be interpreted as famine denial, made the language less biased.. Within 4 minutes, it was undone, with edit summary Previous version appeared more neutral.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I do these edits all the time all over socialist articles. I just write in "does not conform to wikipedia NPOV rules, biased language removed".

I use the abbreviation to sound all official wikipedian legalese and make people think twice about reverting lmao

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Of course fucking Mzajac/Michael Z is on that page. He defends pro-Western narratives about Ukraine all over Wikipedia.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Mzajac is such a fucking asshole to every editor he interacts with. He's been pulled into ANI so many times, and people are like "why is he still an admin". I do think that the war in Ukraine broke his brain tho, since he's been so much more unhinged and aggressive since then.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 8 months ago

Funniest way to use their tenure.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago

What do you mean the US isn't the god sent saviour of all civilization that can do no wrong angery

[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago (2 children)

i too had a history teacher who went on wild tangents with the smallest provocation

he was a stinking lib though sadness

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

I had a class with what was the stereotype of a college professor chuds complain about.

Was some gen Ed credit like "culture language and hummanity" that was basically him being a reddit atheist lib about every current topic.

We were supposed to "keep a journal" for the whole course for our final grade.

Finals week I went through all his power points and paraphrased them as my "journal"

He had me come I to his office to congratulate me and tell me I had thenoutlinenof a book lol.

Libs love hearing their own thoughts quoted back at them.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

I had a history prof go on a class long tangent about how communists were evil because Marx said religion is the opiate of the masses. I, being a cringe atheist at the time thought "damn that's cool af, this Marx guy is spitting" and I think that was the general consensus of the class.

Geography professor however started day one with a lecture on why Mercator, and most other map projections are racist, and told us that he wasn't listening to any complaints about saying that from anyone white.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago

"Very political views"

[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 months ago

Sounds like a good professor with interesting lectures.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 63 points 8 months ago (4 children)

He's literally the right wing boogeyman Stalinist college professor in the actual existing flesh. He's written books defending Stalin from the perspective that Stalin could basically do no wrong.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago

He's written books defending Stalin from the perspective that Stalin could basically do no wrong.

soviet-chad

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago

stalin shouldn't have stopped at berlin

[–] [email protected] 27 points 8 months ago

also he rules

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Is his stuff worth reading or is he more of a quack with an occasionally good take?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago

100% quack. He's good at finding sources but his analysis is very poor.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago

A Soviet archive enthusiast

[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago

Gonna cry? Gonna shit your pants?

I guess they should have put “WARNING: NO SAFE SPACES FOR IMPERIALISTS AND GENOCIDE APOLOGISTS” in red on the course catalog.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Isn't Furr's official field like, Medieval literature? Why are his students studying US foreign policy?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

If his field was political theory he would be a massive neoliberal. From my own experience, the way anglo-american academia seems to work is that if your field is related to that, it's very hard to get a job in academia without reproducing US empire propaganda. For instance, their philosophers don't read Marx, and a lot of the political philosophy they study exists to basically justify liberal democracy as the most ethical system that exists.
If you come from a different field though, like English literature, there is more leeway to study Marx and critical theory. Grover Furr is also a massive ML and hobbyist historian of Soviet history, and it probably bleeds into his classes quite a lot.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Because he has tenure

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Going to be honest, the bottom right comment would probably be half of us lol. Finding the lectures cool, but struggling to pay attention and desperately wanting to move on to the main part of the course.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (3 children)

admittedly if i signed up to learn about historical literature and instead of reading the books themselves i had to read about the books and about communist pirates i would feel a little lied to

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The novel is a pretty recent Western invention. Literature is quite a broad term and includes articles, poetry, diaries, etc

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago

I’m jealous

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago

FrIgHtEnInG

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago

Title for each of those ratings should read: Shitlibs beware!

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