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Technically accurate.
I'm trying to envision the kind of person this works on.
"He didn't break the law, just the constitution! And that's fine, right? Means he ain't no criminal, right?"
The kind of person who will wear an "America First" hat that was made in China.
Maybe Donald T. should hire a constitutioner then.
People who are prone to motivated reasoning
I hate to say it, but the answer to who this works on, it's lawyers.
Technically speaking, I don't think there are any laws that directly criminalize violations of the Constitution. The courts can shut down things that are unconstitutional, but to dole out criminal punishments requires violations of actual laws, not the Constitution itself.
Luckily, there are several criminal laws that should apply here, including fraud, mishandling of classified data, and obstruction of justice, to name a few. Lock him up.
This lawyer gives me the "imma just chat gpt my defense" energy.
I mean after everything he's done, he's not gonna get the best attorneys out there.
Won't pay his bills, lies to his lawyers, breaks court orders on Twitter, tries to get his attorneys to break the law for him, etc. After Sidney Powell, this shouldn't be a surprise.
Look at Mark Meadows by contrast, that's how you listen to your damn lawyer.
It's not that far from the Chewbacca Defense
And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.
One thing that the Chinese Han dynasty had right and that I think that we should bring back is that when people were found to be abject failures to society they would be expected to kill themselves as an apology.
Where does tRump come up with these people? I guess if you have nothing to work with, you still have to come up with some sort of defense.
He knows the best people.
Without a Constitution, there is no law. Those who violate it should be tried like any other criminal, instead of asking Congress to do it.
Mitch McConnell famously said they didn't need to impeach Trump because America has a criminal justice system and civil suits.
They should hang his wrinkly ass too.
I wonder how Trumps base would react if a democrat said that violating the constitution was not a criminal act. Specifically if they said it about violating the first or second amendment
This guy is going to get destroyed by federal prosecutors, and he will try to blame it all on them.
His Jedi mind trick kung fu is weak, sad, low energy. Trump is going to prison.
The lawyer knows he will lose. He's just going through the motions so that he'll (hopefully) get paid for doing "work".
I like the but where the lawyer says that a jury in DC wouldn't be diverse enough; I believe they've also filed to have the judge replaced. But I have an idea: let's pursue diversification among trials. We can have Florida case in front of an extremely pro-Trump judge and jury, and we'll have the DC in front of an anti-Trump one.