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"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views," Jean-Pierre said. "There is no 'yes or no' answer to this, it is complicated. There is a rule that the Department of Education [DOE] has put forward, and we're going to let that process move forward, and again, we want to make sure that while we establish guardrails with this rule, we also prevent discrimination, as well, against transgender kids. But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that."

"Absolutely no reason for the Biden admin to do this," New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wrote. "It is indefensible and embarrassing. The admin can still walk this back, and they should. It's a disgrace."

"Honestly, this move by Biden to push a rule on trans kids in sports is not only a backwards betrayal, it [forces] us to have to spend our time dealing with god d*** sports instead of criminal bans on our healthcare," Alejandra Caraballo, a civil rights attorney and LGBTQ+ advocate, wrote. "He could have just done nothing. This is legitimizing transphobia."

The mOsT PrOgReSsIvE Administration in History™ funny-clown-hammer "A complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that" funny-clown-hammer Fuck off out of here with that "centrist" nonsense. There's nothing complicated about it, and it's not an issue unless you want to turn it into one and want to appeal to people's emotions like Republicans are doing. It was only a matter of time before they'd start throwing trans people under the bus. I guess with the coming elections it's as good a time as ever.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This sports transphobia is mostly directed at trans girls/femme/women, right?

Are they doing this shit to AFAB people in men's sports?

Regardless all this discourse is wrapped up in misogyny too, implying that people AFAB are always going to be worse at sports.

And it doesn't take into account the general unfairness in sports. Some people are born into wealthy families who can afford to feed their kids, get them healthcare, and train them into sports.

It's all the talking points about affirmative action, just in a different font.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Are they doing this shit to AFAB people in men's sports?

chess is lmao

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yes. You will notice though that the primary direction of transphobic rhetoric is aimed at trans women and not trans men. this is a result of misogyny at its core. this is part of the phenomenon of transmisogyny, the intersection of misogyny and transphobia

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It is also about patriarchy in that it is seen as a problem for a man to give up his patriarchal benefits, while it is seen as a virtue for women to seek patriarchal benefits. Same reason that gay men always suffered more gay hate than lesbians, the appearance of taking on the "feminine" role is viewed as a threat to patriarchy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And in a world where modern psychology was founded upon the teaching that all young girls suffer from penis envy, most people think striving for masculinity seems like a perfectly reasonable goal. Author and sex activist Patrick Califia, who is a trans man, addresses this in his 1997 book Sex Changes: The Politics of Transgenderism: “It seems the world is still more titillated by ‘a man who wants to become a woman’ than it is by ‘a woman who wants to become a man.’ The first is scandalous, the latter is taken for granted. This reflects the very different levels of privilege men and women have in our society. Of course women want to be men, the general attitude seems to be, and of course they can’t. And that’s that.”

Once we recognize how media coverage of transsexuals is informed by the different values our society assigns to femaleness and maleness, it becomes obvious that virtually all attempts to sensationalize and deride trans women are built on a foundation of unspoken misogyny. Since most people cannot fathom why someone would give up male privilege and power in order to become a relatively disempowered female, they assume that trans women transition primarily as a way of obtaining the one type of power that women are perceived to have in our society: the ability to express femininity and to attract men.

Whipping Girl, by Julia Serano

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Transphobia directed at transmascs is also always mysogynist in nature. Its core concepts are toxic notions of masculinity seen as unfullfillable for AFAB individuals, the maintainance of control over AFAB bodies as reproductive units and sexual objects, and the denial of agency to AFAB individuals, all due to their assigned "female" gender. Terfs routinely claim that trans men and transmasculine nonbinary people are just "confused girls" making a mistake, the entire terf discourse around the issue hinges on the concept not to let people designated as broodmares decide what to do with their uteruses because they are too emotional and irrational to make choices for themselves. It doesn't get more mysogynist than that, which is ironic when the target of the mysogyny are men, but that's bio-essentialism for you. When you want to see how fully seperated any and all terfs have become from the feminist roots at least some of them used to have, how deeply and utterly mysogynist they have become, ask them about trans dudes.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I remember reading that when Utah did their ban on trans athletes in school sports, there was exactly one trans girl playing in a girls' sport in the whole state. Exactly one. Statewide legislature passing laws focused on one person, a child.

All this scrutiny and transphobia is directed at literal children, many of whom might be the only trans athlete out of millions. Transphobia is such a disgusting thing to me, not only because of the chauvinism and bigotry, but because it's just so senseless. Trans people are already rare enough as it is and also one of the most vulnerable populations in regards to poverty, assault, unemployment, etc. I've seen some statistics saying that only around 1,000 people in America initiate HRT per year. That should give an idea of just how rare and vulnerable trans people are. And now there's a senseless cultural panic just to whip up a few more eyeballs on the spectacle?

Death to America

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've seen some statistics saying that only around 1,000 people in America initiate HRT per year.

Can I get a source on that? Can't find one myself but I live in the gay city so it might just seem like more

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Found a summary of a 2015 John Hopkins study.

Estimates vary widely but it is believed that between 3,000 and 9,000 Americans undergo sex reassignment surgery each year. Transition medical care can include hormone replacement therapy, mastectomy, plastic surgery, psychotherapy and more.

It doesn't seem like there's a good central source on numbers like this. John Hopkins is a respected medical institution and even they're saying "estimates vary widely" and "It's believed." I think part of it is this isn't recorded in census data and perhaps most trans people who get HRT or GRS are kinda private about it? No idea, but it's still so absurd to me that reactionaries have decided trans people are their mortal enemy now. Trans people are incredibly rare and they're much poorer and more vulnerable than cis people.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's srs which only like 1-2 percent of trans people get/are able to get

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Maybe 1-2% of Amerikan trans people, where you have to pay out of pocket for a surgery that somehow costs four times as much as you'd pay in Europe.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Oh nice this is on /all/ now. I'd just like to say that anyone that supports democrats after this deserves to be hit by a truck. That is all.

Eat shit, I genuinely hope physical harm comes to you.

On a tangential note, arm lgbt people.

amerikkka trans-gun

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Also any non-hexbear user is a brigader. Sorry that's just how it is shrug-outta-hecks

Cops are bad people, especially your cool uncle.
Arm all trans people with cannons.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'd prefer a nuclear submarine because i'm a sub with nuclear takes. posadist-nuke

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

this

some lemm.ee lib reported this for “advocating violence” lol. theres a couple references to accidental physical harm and self defense, but no advocacy for illicit, intentional violence!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The violence being perpetrated against trans people by liberals happened first. I have dead friends because of these fucks.

Fighting back is self defence. They advocated for institutional violence first. What do you think rules and laws are when they're targeted against the marginalised? If any of us break them do you think the system asks us nicely not to? No. It commits violence. That's not even considering the amount of trans people that actively kill themselves over the day to day hellscape liberals have created for the marginalised, but most particularly for trans people.

Eat shit libs. All you care about is brunch and treats while everyone beneath you gets fucking crushed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

@[email protected] think about this ^ before making dumb reports

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

In LIB speak calling something "complicated" is just an excuse to take the reactionary position

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I genuinely feel like this is such a non issue that even if I was completely wrong and science was a lie and trans women did have some kind of advantage over cis women in sports, it still wouldn't fucking matter because there are roughly six trans women playing sports at a high level. Manufactured outrage go brrrr.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Besides what everyone else is saying in defense of trans rights which are human rights, I want to add a tangential point. I wouldn't ever want my elected representative to think an issue is complicated. I sent you to the executive branch to exercise power on my behalf. Not to exercise fairness, not to exercise @[email protected] . No, motherfucker, we WON, fucking act like it. I don't need the issue explained to me, you're not a salesman. You don't propose shit; I do. If you're the one for the job, I vote for you. You are my public servant. I don't know what drivel they taught you for that bullshit law degree, but it's clouded you to the reality that your will, desire, and vision for the country as an elected official is secondary to mine. The issue is not complicated as far as you're concerned; we'll tell you what the answer is.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that.

You don't have to though.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

In fact there should be no respect for the views of bigots

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just in case anyone from other instances are stopping by, this is how liberal democracy leads to fascism. You have a right wing party that wants to criminalize being trans while tacitly supporting physical violence and extermination. The only viable opposition party can't even use decisive language about the validity and existence of trans people among cis people. Because it might hurt their polling.

Now the strongest, political position from the "left" is "it's complicated." So when the right starts being very clear about violence and carrying it out through official state entities, the new left position will be even more to the right. Because they already gave up on "Trans people should participate in the things cis people do." So it's not even about trans people living a normal life. Historically, by the time we get there, it doesn't matter what the left position is anymore. Because the right has taken over and are putting people in camps.

This is why it's so very annoying to hear about harm reduction and voting the lesser evil. That's not how it works. One hand washes the other. The lesser evil just leads to greater evil getting strong anyways. It doesn't stop it or bide you time. The only lesser evil is violent revolution, which is only evil if you don't understand what's at stake here.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

adding this to the long list of reasons im not voting for biden again when libs ask. my go-to is always “that fucker still owes me $600!”

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

So, you think voting for a Republican or not voting is going to get the job done?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

no, democrats have demonstrated repeatedly that they are unwilling to do anything. you would be a fool to vote for them over and over again after seeing their incompetence and unwillingness to even slightly push back against the reactionary policies being enacted under biden

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Democratic Party has room for improvement, sure, but it's also the only party with room for improvement. On this issue, not voting is the same as voting for a Republican. That surely won't get you any improvement.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

no, not voting is just not voting. voting for the republican party is voting for the republican party. and from where im standing, the difference between dems and republicans is negligible. the dems arent offering any “improvement”

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Republicans are salivating over the prospect of you not voting. Exactly what they want.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

the dems are salivating over the prospect of useful idiots like you voting for them election after election after decades of failing to deliver on any of their promises because "it's complicated." Exactly what they want.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

further exploiting and oppressing the working class is exactly what the republicans want. and the dems are united w them in that

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thise two parties are nothing alike.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Who broke the rail strike? Who bombed the Balkans?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

there's a famous line that the US is a one party state but in typical American extravagance, we have two of them. both parties serve capital. you are not the core demographic of either party. they can and will fuck you over if it makes their benefactors a quick buck. the Republicans move the political needle rightwards and the Democrats act as a ratchet to prevent any kind of real left politics in this country. both parties must be destroyed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

The Democratic party doubled Trump's deportation numbers, gave the police record funding and has now ceded trans rights to the right

There is no room for improvement and no point in voting in national elections, we warned you motherfuckers but you didn't listen, now eat shit dem

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you think that rewarding the Democrats for having the only standard be "Our senile, racist, rapist, corrupt, reactionary war criminal doesn't have an orange spray tan" is going to "get the job done"? Or just the entire party being the polite, norms-respecting Republicans.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think it's the only party that does not vilify LGBTQ people, so I'll keep voting for them for that reason and many others.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're right. They are more of the Uvalde Cops to the Republicans school shooter. Even when they nominally have power they wont even rhetorically fight back, let alone use that power, to defend LGBTQ people in any way.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I understand your frustration, but not voting or voting for a Republican will just make matter worse. There's surely room for improvement among Democrats, but it's also the only party with room for improvement.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, ignoring the extremely limited efficacy and right-wing bias of electoralism, their entire point is just being the "Not Republican Party". As long as they can only offer that and nothing else, and still be electorally competitive, they never have to improve and will actively fight against improvement. Additionally, they actually do more to aid the Republicans and right-wing agenda as long as they are really ineffective and out-of-touch and in people's minds voting for them is the only real opposition the Republicans, while constantly capitulating to Republicans on issues like trans rights. But ultimately, this is why the Republicans are much more responsive to what their base wants, since even if they are reactionary, and can somewhat generate the culture war issues, they are the only party offering a positive agenda. (Positive in the sense of a politics of making changes and advancing agendas rather than just saying that the other party is worse. Not saying their agenda is good, obviously)

So, yes, there is some times, particularly on close elections or local elections where you can get improvement by voting Democrat over some Q-anon or MAGA psycho. But you also have to admit, especially with Federal elections, not voting for Democrats is not really making things worse or doing less "harm mitigation" than voting for a Biden, or whatever right-wing bigot the Democrats throw up next. Especially if, even on things like LGBTQ rights, they immediately capitulate and take the Republican position, just with more polite rhetoric.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yes, if the democrats won't earn our votes, we'll withhold them. it's not like a democrat in office meaningfully slows down the pace of fascism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Withhold and help the Republicans.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

the democrats are helping the republicans far better than I ever could.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Since I was eighteen, I have voted for a third party even when its chances were hopeless, if the main parties were unsatisfactory; or, in absence of a third choice, voted for the lesser of two evils.

I could vote, but the election in which I could vote was a farce.

I shall not go to the polls. I have not registered. I believe that democracy has so far disappeared in the United States that no “two evils” exist. There is but one evil party with two names, and it will be elected despite all I can do or say.

This Administration is dominated and directed by wealth and for the accumulation of wealth. Corporate wealth profits as never before in history. We turn over the national resources to private profit and have few funds left for education, health or housing. We let men take wealth which is not theirs; if the seizure is “legal” we call it high profits and the profiteers help decide what is legal. If the theft is “illegal” the thief can fight it out in court, with excellent chances to win if he receives the accolade of the right newspapers.

Gambling on the stock market is increasing and all prices are rising. It costs three times his salary to elect a Senator and many millions to elect a President. This money comes from the very corporations which today are the government. This in a real democracy would be enough to turn the party responsible out of power. Yet this we cannot do.

I have no advice for others in this election. Are you voting Democratic? Well and good; all I ask is why? Are you voting for Biden and his smooth team of bright ghost writers? Again, why? Will your helpless vote either way support or restore democracy to America?

Is the refusal to vote in this phony election a counsel of despair? No, it is dogged hope. It is hope that if millions of voters refrain from voting in 2024 because of their own accord and not because of a sly wink from Putin, this might make the American people ask how much longer this dumb farce can proceed without even a whimper of protest. Yet if we protest, off the nation goes to Russia and China.

Fifty-five American philanthropists are asking China “to face manfully the doubts and promptings of their conscience.” Can not these do-gooders face their own consciences? Can they not see that American culture is rotting away: our honesty, our human sympathy; our literature, save what we import from abroad? Our manners are gone and the one thing we want is to be rich–to show off. Success is measured by income.

University education is for income, not culture, and is partially supported by private industry. We are not training poets or musicians, but engineers. Business is built on successful lying called advertising. We want money in vast amount, no matter how we get it. So we have it, and what then?

Is the answer the election of 2024? We can make a sick man President and set him to a job which would strain a man in robust health. So he dies, and what do we get to lead us? We remain in the same mess. I will be no party to it and that will make little difference. You will take large part and bravely march to the polls, and that also will make no difference.

Stop running Russia and giving Chinese advice when we cannot rule ourselves decently. Stop yelling about a democracy we do not have. Democracy is dead in the United States. Yet there is still nothing to replace real democracy. Drop the chains, then, that bind our brains. Drive the money-changers from the seats of the Cabinet and the halls of Congress. Call back some faint spirit of Jefferson and Lincoln, and when again we can hold a fair election on real issues, let’s vote, and not till then. Is this impossible? Then democracy in America is impossible.

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