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If I hear "unalive" as a verb one more time dean-frown

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[–] [email protected] 145 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Something dystopian about being trapped in a system that runs on mass death but expects you to talk about death like you're a character in a children's cartoon

[–] [email protected] 58 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Where are the free speech perverts?

[–] [email protected] 57 points 9 months ago

busy crying about their 14 words tweet getting taken down in 2019

[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago

blaming communists for capitalists do

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago

You're not allowed to be aware of the spectacle. It's a crime. Dropping your mask of passive acceptance to fall to your knees and scream "The spectacle! The spectacle!~ it's all the spectacle!" in the middle of hte streets is illegal because it's bad for quarterly profits

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (2 children)

"I'm going to to do myself like Tarzan did to Clayton from Disney's Tarzan"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

You mean watch while they hang themselves with their own ~~Vines~~ TikToks?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

Listen, only Joe Biden can promote violence. Anyone else? Instantly sent to ~~the gulag~~ gitmo.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Tiktok isn't an app for kids, i don't want to be ageist - it's for all ages and everyone can have fun on there. But the way tiktoker's talk on tiktok and other platforms with their cutesy little euphemisms for violence and sex does make me think every time "Ah, they're used to the kiddie app", because it's making grown adults be afraid to talk about adult topics.

This is just the fault of censorship and not the app or the users, but it is literally sanitized kiddie language and feels very out of place and hard to take seriously on websites that don't have that censorship.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'm unfamiliar. Does something with the term 'suicide', for example, get flagged on tik tok?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The filters and algos and censorship rules are not public. All this shit "unalived" 'grippy socks vacation", is people trying to intuit what is an isn't allowed in an environment where htey have no meaningful feedback at all. "It's against our community guidelines". No one knows what the guidelines are. No one knows what does or does not violate them. No one knows if hte decision is made by a human or a machine.

The thought process isn't dissimilar to magic - People are doing ritualized actions to stave off the attention of their evil, hateful gods. if they make the sign of hte evil eye, if they say their prayers before bed, if they don't say "suicide" then the evil dopamine god won't de-list, de-monetize, or ban them.

When they started doing behaviorialism research on animals, there was this one thing that stuck in my mind, they found ut that, if they just gave pigeons food at random times, like pigeons in cages, the pigeons would seemingly start to think that whatever it was they were doing when the food appeared caused the food to appear. So very quickly they'd end up with pigeons doing these little dance routines, because the pigeon had built up an association between what it was doing and the appearance of food. The pigeon didn't know what hte fuck was happening, but it was trying to make sense of and control it's situations.

All these tortured neologisms, they're the same thing. people are trying to talk, just talk, about important shit in theirlives and all these vast, opaque, inhuman regimes of censorship and punishment are pressing down on them. But they don't know what hte rules are, the companies that have seized control of all mediums of public communication won't tell them, will lie to them, so they're trying to figure it out as individuals who either don't understand science or don't have the resources needed to interogate the system usinmg scienetific methods.

It's all fucked. There's a metaphorical existentialist shaking you by the collar and screaming "DO YOU SEE? DO YOU SEE THE ABSURDITY OF A UNIVERSE THAT IS BOTH INDIFFERENT AND CRUEL?!?!?!?!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It's funny how it resembles a heightened version of what people accuse the USSR, PRC, and DPRK of. In gommunist chyna, citizens don't know what they aren't allowed to discuss or what words they aren't allowed to use, so they speak in a contorted code to get past censors [who might not even care] when there is a rumor of a topic or word being forbidden. It's like a panopticon where you don't only not know when you are being watched, but you also don't know what is being watched for.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Good point. iirc and it's been years and I never actually read the book and just fibbed my way through class, but the whole The panopticon could be watching anyone at any time, so it doesn't need to watch everyone all the time" was one of the key features of the panopticon regime. Like the whole thing in discipline and punish was that the system teaches people to disicipline and punish themselves, because that's more efficient than a top down system. The system will always be more efficient if you teach people to censor and punish each other instead of haviung to hire a hundred billion police to do it directly.

And yeah, the every accusation is projection thing. Lenin has some line about who the burgers own the papers, so the papers are censored in the interest of the burgers, so the "free press" and "freedom of speech' are bullshit bc you can only say what the burger's editor's allow to be said.

Also, I am always, always struck by the idea that the STASI would probably be horrified by the level of invasive surveillance everyone is subjected to every moment of every day, but people are totally blase about it, but I was told my whole life for decades after the cold war ended how horrifying it was that the Stasi was watching you pee or your neighbors were informing on you, but now everyone is informing on their neighbors all the time with nextdoor and shit, and anyway apparently when they dug in to the STASI's archives after the Reich conquered the GDR they didn't even find evidence that the STASI was murdering dissidents nad thought criminal sanyway?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You definitely have the main idea with the panopticon. I think someone more well-read than I could probably make really interesting points about how, in the original form one has an imagined cop in their head constantly enforcing externally-established rules, and this new version has an imagined cop constantly enforcing imagined rules of imagined scope. The notice for what is banned is replaced by a rumor-mill and the occasional high-profile case where "what tripped the censor?" still remains unclear and manual flagging sullies even this very messy sampling method.

I don't really know that much about the STASI, but it's not like West Berlin wasn't also heavily surveilling its denizens, and deaths in East Berlin get wildly overstated to the point of being a farce. That's probably something gone over in "STASI State or Socialist Paradise?" but I haven't gotten to it yet.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

TikTok, etc. take tone-policing oneself to new extremes. Especially because of the ambiguity of what will be censored. It makes me worry.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Apparently kids have been saying “unalive” in way more normal contexts too, not just places where you’re trying to avoid bot censors. Like, using it in essays because they think it’s a more formal way of saying it kill, like “dead” vs “deceased”

(There’s certainly a chance this is made up and I’m sounding like the weird chuds who think there are litterboxes in classrooms and if that’s the case whoops)

I genuinely wish there was a way to pressure advertisers to knock that shit off. God I hate that word so much. Please just let people say kill I don’t want to hear unalive anymore it sounds so stupid.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I just find it incredibly depressing there's a generation growing up whose vocabulary is being directly influenced by Google's bots

It's just so fucking grim. In 10 years everyone is going to talk like they're trying to trick ChatGPT into saying something naughty

[–] [email protected] 47 points 9 months ago

Kill the god of machine logic inside your minds

Butlerian Jihad now

[–] [email protected] 34 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hey don't be too sad, it's being influenced by China’s bots too.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Language do be rapidly evolving in fascinating and unpredictable ways.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

No cap fr fr

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

That one is just longstanding AAVE, "do be" is a present progressive meaning something like "has been frequently known to be". "He do be working" therefore is like "He has been working a lot lately".

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I learned "sewer slide" is a thing recently

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

New dance name just dropped

[–] [email protected] 44 points 9 months ago

Bringing back "he got sent to another dimension" from the Dragon Ball Z Ocean Dub.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 9 months ago

You trying to tell me all the hot singles in my area aren't actually interested in making a corn video with me? corn-man-khrush

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It shows just how influential social media is in shaping culture outside of the ordinary internet niches.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago

I mean, I have been saying "lol" out loud in real life for the majority of my life

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago

algospeak can be useful doe. see 🍉

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (1 children)

people fully say it in real life now.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Every genuine Gen Z linguistic invention is a word filter workaround. Nothing but mundane words that computer scientists can't filter for fear of filtering far larger numbers of mundane and innocent posts and significantly harming revenue for internet platforms, only to watch the kids select a new mundane word to describe a dick

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

It's either filter workarounds or it's been widely popularizing existing terms that used to be more regional or strictly associated with black or hip-hop culture. Like cap, fam, simp, etc

Which is pretty normal, isn't it? A lot of slang from the 80s was just reappropriated southern California surfer lingo.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yes definitely, that's the other main type of gen-z slang... Black gen-x slang. And it seems like even those borrowed terms lean towards the repurposed unfiltered ones. White programmers won't think of Black slang but eventually they'll get wise to it, unless it's too unique and risks overfiltering white boomers talking about their day.

Also I can wager that a lot of that 80's California surfer lingo was ripped off from Hawai'i. California is the engine of Hawai'i's cultural influence on the wider United States

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

You forgot Gen X 4chan slang. Idk how but incel terms are unironically mainstream now. I regularly hear "soy", "normie", "mewing", "mog", etc. IRL from pretty seemingly normal, well adjusted people. Both men and women like wtf

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

Which is pretty normal, isn't it? A lot of slang from the 80s was just reappropriated southern California surfer lingo.

Yeah but when they did it it was a totally radical idea dude

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

only to watch the kids select a new mundane word to describe a dick.

🍆💦🍑

I'm just a fan of watering vegetables 😎

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago

Go commit die

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago

If I hear "unalive" as a verb one more time

So glad I am not the only one that finds that stuff unseemingly.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago

yes it is the hallmark of a healthy society

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The WWE used their euphemism when John Cena said "we have caught and compromised, to a parmenent end, Osama Bin Laden."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMlFYl6u1H4

So it aint just the zoomers! WWE wanted to get everyone hyped about an assassination, but even they were like "ooo, that is kinda gruesome."

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

doing passive voice during an episode of monday night raw lmao

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

In bad country, people have to alter their speech to appease those with power

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

I unironically like the term "unalive". I use it when I wanna be casual and whimsical in my misery. My language is a tad different when I'm holed up in my job's bathroom looking up that ol' hotline.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

unalive is the new frick/dang/heck

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I don't have an issue with new slang, I do have an issue with people modifying the way they speak and write because of corporate content moderation and internalising those restrictions

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

i'm not making a normative or moral claim.

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