Biden renews call for assault weapons ban after ‘tragic and senseless’ spate of July 4 shootings (www.independent.co.uk)

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President says ‘epidemic of gun violence is tearing our communities apart’ after mass shootings in Philadelphia, Fort Worth, Baltimore and Chicago

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[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

According to the Gun Violence Archive, 21,782 Americans have been killed in shootings halfway through 2023.

I know that's not 100% mass shootings, but that's still a stunningly bleak number. Rounding up from the .97 that's five human lives every hour of 2023 up to July.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Those numbers are intentionally misleading, they are using people that killed themselves to prop up the numbers. It's disgusting.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

And those shouldn't count? Do you have any idea how much easy access to guns increases suicides? Many, many suicidal people would still be alive without the easy access to guns in the US. It's one of the easiest and painless ways to kill yourself.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Things like suicide are far more related to a lack mental healthcare and the stigma around getting help than weather or not people are allowed to own firearms. Not everyone has those kinds of problems. An assault weapons ban is certainly unrelated to those seeking self-harm and most crime.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

a gun makes it incredibly easy to end someone, including yourself. It takes the killing out of killing and I can promise you that makes a massive difference to the number of both killings and suicides.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

So we ban pain killers too? Cleaning chemicals? Rat poison?

The gun didn't make you kill yourself. Not getting help killed you. Stop chasing the guns, they aren't the the problem. The problem is that so many people see them as a solution and they need help.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

try to travel a bit, see the world.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

I am so tired of seeing this braindead take being used as any sort of "gotcha".

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

How much of that is suicide?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Is there an acceptable figure?

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Try the other way around: how much gun control would impact in the total suicide number?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

This article is about assault weapon bans, which are not exactly the go-to for suicide.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

This is the sad reality. Gun violence is generally committed by sick people. Similarly, I saw this chart a few years back on Australian gun/knife violence. The plots are mirrored. Violence is sort of static.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

It's much more likely to survive a stabbing than to survive a shooting.

[-] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

The loser of a knife fight dies in the street, the winner dies in the hospital.

I don't recall the origin of that or whether that's the exact wording but the general idea at least has stuck with me.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If you run away from a guy with a knife, you have to outrun the knife-wielder. If you run away from a guy with a gun, you have to outrun the bullet.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

It's bad, but after watching over a million Americans die of COVID while (seemingly) half or more of the country refused to take - or often even acknowledge - the most basic of preventative measures... Well, I just don't know any longer.

Shootings are far less deadly, and that's a much more murky subject as there are plenty of justifiable reasons to own a gun. You also have to wonder how many deaths are Darwin Awards, or justified self defense... It's just an incredibly complicated subject compared to "hey guys, let's wear masks."

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

SHALL. NOT.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Should currently incarcerated criminals should be allowed to own guns?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yes.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Wow. I didn't know that the bar for "responsible gun owner" was so low.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Well it's not like they'll be allowed to take it into prison with them.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

So you support gun-free zones? That seems a lot like an infringement on the right to bear arms.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Here's an idea: all new guns must only be operable by the person who purchased them after going through rigorous background checks. This will be done using fingerprint technology. The gun simply will not fire unless it is in the right hands.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

It's not really that easy unfortunately. You can essentially 3D print gun parts now, and you can buy parts separately to make kits pretty easily to get around any kind of restrictions like that.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

If it is so easy to 3D print guns or put together the parts, how is it that gun control measures in other countries are still effective?

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Effective?? Hahahhahah

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Lol, fuck no

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

When the government disarms first then we'll talk.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Start with your damn son.... Then you can talk other people out of guns

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Just a random thought, what if instead of going after guns, the administration came down on high-caliber ammo instead?

Like, just put heavy barriers on the production of 9mm and higher-sized ammunition to the extent the only bullets available in the market for the general public are .22 LR and below, which are less lethal in general. If not anything else it would bring down gun deaths at least.

Their main argument is that there are more than enough guns in circulation already and a ban on them would only affect the "good guys" while the bad guys will get their guns illegally. Well, those guns are useless without their cartridges, and at some point the country will run out of them if no new ones are produced.

As a bonus, choking out the lethal-ammo supply chain won't even violate anyone's 2A rights.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Two major issues here. One ammunition is an arm and protected by the 2A. You know that people can just cast bullets out of lead like people did for centuries before the popularization of the cartridge right?

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How effective would the casted bullets and cartridges be in general? Is it very easy to make quality ones that won't spoil the gun itself?

How easy would it be to scale them up? I confess, I don't actually know much.

Also, does implementing production quota limits amount to violating 2A? Isn't the amendment about securing the rights of the public to own firearms, and not securing manufacturers from regulations?

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