this post was submitted on 10 Jan 2024
349 points (95.3% liked)

politics

19138 readers
3784 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 136 points 9 months ago (9 children)

A bit of history. Trump's legal mentor was Roy Cohn. Cohn was Joe McCarthy's hatchet man. Cohn had a reputation as one of the most vicious pitbulls in New York legal circles. Cohn was also gay, and when he was dying of AIDS Trump dropped him like a hot potato.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Cohn

[–] [email protected] 63 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Cohn was also gay, and when he was dying of AIDS Trump dropped him like a hot potato.

From your same wiki link:

and according to Seymour's notes, Trump was the last person to speak to Cohn on the phone before he died in 1986.

I haven't found anything that corroborates your statement that Trump "dropped him".

I did find this though, which reminds me of South Park; it sounds exactly like Cohn was a customer of CumHammer Brand Management:

the AIDS Memorial Quilt describes him as "Roy Cohn. Bully. Coward. Victim."


Edit: Wait, actually, looking at one of the sources from the Wiki article, there was this bit:

Bell also doubts that Cohn’s last conversation was with Trump, who, she said, abandoned his lawyer when he found out that Cohn was H.I.V.-positive. “They were so close, they talked at least several times a week,” she said. “And as soon as he found out, he took all his cases away from Roy except for one and got new lawyers. After all they’d been through together.”

Seymour is Christine Seymour, Cohn's telephone operator, who listened in on many of his conversations. Bell is Susan Bell, Cohn's secretary.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Just once, for contrast, I'd like someone to come up with a positive story about Trump.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago

He'll die someday.

That's the best I can do.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It would be a lot easier if he took even a moment to stop being a shitheel for once.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I saw a family portrait of him with Melania and Barron from when his son was about six years old. Besides the ugly solid gold wallpaper, the thing that boggled my mind was that his kid was dressed in a little business suit and sitting in a little toy Mercedes luxury car. No space ships or jet planes for this lad.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

The outcome of this trial will be a positive story involving Trump if that helps.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Do you mean to tell me that Trump is such a homophobic bigot that he'll drop his best friend if he finds out he's gay?

Shocking.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 9 months ago

Wow, thanks for sharing that. I had no idea.

It is a prime example of right-wing hypocrisy, bullyism, and cowardice.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

on the one hand, aww.

on the other hand, fuck em.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You know if you'd said trunk learned everything he knew by watching Dan Ackroyd in the original blues Brothers movie, I would have believed that too

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I've never seen Trump misspelled that way before, but I kind of like it.

In my opinion, he's been a busted valise.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I saw it, and then made a choice not to correct it.

Also, a broken suitcase was once useful, he's never been worth anything

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] [email protected] 130 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Trump is one of the most embarrassing humans to have ever disgraced this earth. I often wish I lacked any self awareness so I could blindly hack my way through life. But my daddy wasn't rich so I was forced to be painfully aware of my actions to this very day

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean, you have people in your life who actually like you. I don't know if the same can be said of Trump.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 9 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

deleted by creator

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

Plenty of people with rich daddies who are aware of their own failings and even some who care about others. You might have been a decent person even with a rich father. Trump chooses to be the sack of dysentery that he is.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

Also, you’re probably not a demented narcissistic sociopath. Trump is.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Two sections from the article: "“Closing arguments are for an advocate to comment on the evidence presented, on the relevant law, and on how the latter applies to the former to justify the result sought. Such arguments may not be used to testify, to introduce new evidence, to make a campaign speech, or to comment on irrelevant matters,” Engoron emailed Trump’s legal team on Tuesday afternoon." Ha ha

and

The judge’s warnings came after months of Trump’s unhinged speeches outside the courtroom and social media posts in which the billionaire labeled the judge a leftist hack, insulted the judge’s law clerk, and dismissed the entire trial as an empty political persecution." Who is "the billionaire" in this sentence? LoL

[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Who is "the billionaire" in this sentence?

"Former Billionaire"

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (1 children)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't think he was even a former billionaire. That claim seemed to be based off his fraudulent property claims.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago

He has always just been a trust fund kid, pretending to be a business magnate. He had enough money via inheritance to fly around in a private jet, wear terribly fitting suits, make appearances wherever he could and claim to be wildly successful. It was all an act.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 59 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Remember when conservatives used to brag "there will be so much winning... you will get tired of all the winning"?

I now realize that conservatives just didn't know that whining is spelled with an H. What a bunch of whiny little bitches conservatives are.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

They were taught that losing is winning. Now let me show you my face to foot move.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 9 months ago (3 children)

"Falls apart"? Was it really ever together in the first place? You've got a person known to be a chronic liar, he's physically incapable of putting together two sentences that aren't full of lies and/or threats, and having him deliver a speech in a setting in which lying or threatening will get you punished, who the hell thought that was going to be a good idea?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

Honestly, I think his own lawyers just didn't have the balls to tell him what you're saying, so they kicked the can down to the judge.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 34 points 9 months ago (6 children)

This is unrelated, because nobody is surprised by this development.

I'm sure it's partly the choice of photo, but just in the last two years, Trump is really starting to look old. Like fucking hell, I don't see how Republicans can complain about Joe Biden's age when that's their guy.

I can only hope his heart is about 20 years older than he looks.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago (1 children)

People go on about Biden, but Trump is the one I expect to drop dead of a stroke in the middle of one of his crazy rants.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

From your lips to God’s ears.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I noticed that his bronzer utilization has increased pretty steadily. If you ever see a shot of him wearing no makeup - sometimes they get one when he’s golfing yet again - he looks like a walking corpse.

What will never cease to amaze me is how these hyper-macho maga types have so completely dedicated their very lives to a cake-level makeup wearing NYC landlord billionaire who says that military vets are suckers for joining, that POWs should be dismissed as useless, and who eats his steaks well done with ketchup and would never touch a beer. All of that flag waving macho bullshit is really just bullshit for show. It literally doesn’t matter to them.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago

Stress and anxiety, probably. He never felt it before, since he had daddy's money and didn't actually care about being the President before he was elected the first time, or about doing a good job after he was sworn in. But then he was charged in four separate courtrooms, and all of his legal defenses keep dropping like flies, so I would bet this is all eating away at him. He's going the way of Donovan in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, but the grail is a McDonald's cup full of indictments.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Not to mention he believes that physical exercise drains your body of life and he eats like shit. The only silver lining in all of this is that even if Trump wins and creates an American dictatorship, he's not likely to live long anyways. Though I'm sure somebody else will be in line right behind him to take his place.

"After college, after Trump mostly gave up his personal athletic interests, he came to view time spent playing sports as time wasted. Trump believed the human body was like a battery, with a finite amount of energy, which exercise only depleted. So he didn’t work out. When he learned that John O’Donnell, one of his top casino executives, was training for an Ironman triathlon, he admonished him, “You are going to die young because of this.”

Trump Revealed, Mike Kranisch and Marc Fisher

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That was fast. Usually he waits a couple weeks before backing out and crying oppression.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

It was the judge who set the deadline (and extended it 3 times). Eventually he basically said "Ok, you haven't agreed to the very basic, minimal times that all closing arguments must adhere to. Tough shit."

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Has this ever happened before in the history of courts? A non-lawyer defendant with representation doing a closing argument himself?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There are definitely crazy stupid people who choose to represent themselves in court. There are some great SovCit videos on YouTube.

It does not tend to go well for them.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think he meant people who do have representation, but still chose to do the closing argument themselves. That one should be a lot more rare, I think.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Any sane lawyer would advice their client not to do that

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It goes further than that. Court rules dictate that clients are not allowed to make closing arguments if they have an actual lawyer working the case. Trump would have to fire his lawyers and represent himself or maybe get permission from the judge.

In this case the judge said - ok you can make closing arguments but only for appropriate topics, and you can't violate the limited gag order protecting court staff. That was unacceptable to Trump.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Trump never wanted to bring a normal closing argument. All he wanted was a platform for himself and his overblown ego.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Trump is the most successful looser in history! He's so good at loosing even if he wins he loses anyways. What a marvelous specimen of the human species.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I am bleeding, making me the victor!

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But he had another piece of paper in his pocket!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

That’s the one with his Big Mac lunch order.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago
load more comments
view more: next ›