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No moderation without representation. IOW: mods should be democratically elected.

Yeah, no.

Don't turn this into a popularity contest. One that can be bought and cheesed.

Who has time for oversight on that? Why not voter id too.

Is this first past the post or proportional representation?

Term limits, right? Does that include a hand over? How much of their term will be spent getting up to speed?

Where is the incentive to someone starting their own community if it is going to be taken from them when they've put in hard work for no money. Should they not be rewarded for their labour?

Will the inherent democratisation of communities alter the content posted on them? Should we place bans in meta-political posts that support only the incumbent mod?

What if they choose not to leave? Insurrection? Send in the troops?

My friend, I say this genuinely, you are trying to police the internet. Don't. It's a folly.

You have the power to walk away. You have the power to start your own community.

Do it and run it better.

And back to the democracy thing... Democracy is a wonderful thing in the governance of human civilization... It's not a fix for every situation you encounter that you don't like. It often means instead of having one asshole to deal with you'll get a carousel of different assholes on a regular basis.

asking if they subscribe to other myth based beliefs, religions, etc

What you actually said:

Out of interest are you religious or subject to some other form of mythical belief system? I ask because clearly you lack motivation for the truth, preferring hearsay and urban legend that I must assume supports a wider world view. by @Hackerman_uwu

My thought: this kind of behaviour is one of things that made Reddit fucking awful and I’d hate to see it flourish here in the fediverse.

I dunno man, does this have anything to do other than with your own fragile ego?

Honestly, no one cares. Some communities are run by shitty mods. I don't have the mental bandwidth for that sort of problem. Just move on. Create your own redundant community.

The real point here is that this kind of behaviour is one of things that made Reddit fucking awful

My guy, shitty mods are nothing to do with Reddit. It's nothing more than human nature and you will not escape that no matter where you go. If you are expecting the Fediverse to be different, you're mistaken.

Mod elections should be annual and no mod should enjoy that status for life.

We are talking about an unpaid position. For me, the best thing about the downfall of reddit is it made blindingly clear that the content is ephemeral, shitposting is not all that important and that online forums are communities in name only.

I would say to this that you are very much welcome to create an instance with these principles. It's the decision of the instance owner how to run their instance, and this includes what rules apply to mod elections or do not apply to mod elections.

You are aware that the ModLog is visible and we can see you're a liar. Right?

you sound like someone who enjoys having arguments, when you have arguments with people sometimes they don't want to talk to you anymore. It's the cost of your personality.

Attacking someone's position as mythical, religious, is combative... and wont be welcome in every community. Even if your right, being combative isn't going to help convince people your right.

if you want to have constructive debate with people, try to respect their positions, and the experiences that got them into the positions they are in now, even if you disagree with the position. If nothing else, being polite to people will make third parties who read the discussion later more receptive to your ideas.

As far as your meta-moderation ideas go, lemmy is federated, you can always create a new community and moderate it to your liking if you find the current communities inadequate. The ultimate referendum in any society is being able to replace and abandon old corrupt systems.

It’s just the internet. Lemmy has features built in to reduce mod abuse like a public modlog anyone can view without logging in. IMO the reddit format was never good for discussing heated topics.

Fwiw: other than insults and a mod's implied threat... The conversation looked like it had potential and that both of you were making relevanct, fact-based points.

Issue was that there was a low key combativeness throughout and I'm not sure why that was necessary. I see that a lot online, but I think I see it more here than anywhere else.

I've wondered if it's just easy to feel like a big fish in this medium sized pond and then embarrass ourselves when we meet a fish of approximately equal size.

Having said all the above. I slip into combative too. Almost always have regrets later, but it's super easy to do.

Everything up until your actual suggestion is not on-topic for this community, IMO. This feels like a post that was created mainly to vent about the run-in you mentioned.

Your suggestions will run into the same issues as democracy in the real world, and then some. For one, you'd need to ensure that each human person only gets to cast a vote once, and not multiple times through alt accounts.

Additionally, not everyone might be interested in the mod election campaigns that such a system will undoubtedly incur, but for the purpose of upholding democracy they'd have to be.

The market will decide whether mods are in the wrong or not. If you feel like you have been wronged by power tripping mods then feel free to start your own instance and own community and people will join if the situation is that bad.

Having an election for mods is redundant when federated networks are democratic by their nature and how their users use them. Having an "election" is potentially less democratic because it's an arbitrary vote rather than letting people vote with where they decide to hold their accounts and the subscriptions.

The real point here is that this kind of behaviour is one of things that made Reddit fucking awful and I’d hate to see it flourish here in the fediverse.

Too late, I'm afraid, it already does.

No moderation without representation. IOW: mods should be democratically elected.

Mod elections should be annual and no mod should enjoy that status for life.

There should be a mechanism for inducing a ‘no confidence’ mode election at any time otherwise the communities are likely to splinter into “real_” communities just as they did on Reddit which no community in the fediverse can currently afford.

How do you enforce this? You would need the admin's cooperation. What if the instance admin is also the mod? If someone starts a community, is it fair to take it away from them, if you don't agree with their moderation?

There really isn't any way to prevent all this, it would have to be built into the platform itself and it's too late to do that now. Furthermore, there are very few communities large enough for people to even want to vote for mods.

No.

that sounds like high turnaround in your mod department, youre going to have problems finding quality personnel.... regularly

No. That's not how federated networks work.

That said, if you're a reader, try out the sci fi novel "The Prefect" by Reynolds. There's a hyperdemocratic microvoting system in that one, with the main characters being detectives. Plot is fun too. But it's a nice little thought experiment is extreme democracy.

Okay, then make your own instance where mods are democratically elected, I unironically would be interested to see how it'd play out.

tldr

Good idea Open your own instance I'll gladly join