Fairphone was literally my top choice before I bought my current smartphone, until I found out I couldn't get it. So this is great, hopefully they still sell it whenever I update my phone (which won't happen for a few years). Several other people have already commented something along these lines, but I'm just happy about it.
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I love my Fairphone 3. This is great news.
Also interesting that it ships with /e/OS!
/e/OS is a de-googled version Android. Most Google services are replaced with Nextcloud integration, but somehow all apps are still available through a software store that bridges to the Play Store while letting you browse for free apps anonymously. Google Play Services are replaced with the wonderful microG.
I used it on my Fairphone 3 for around half a year, and for the most part it was a very pleasant experience. And whoever doesn't like it can of course (re)install stock Android. :)
I have a Fairphone 4 and I'm very happy with it. Strong recommend.
Great news. The more sustainable options the better. Hopefully it will do well
This is pretty exciting. I wish it would have happened sooner though. It was at the top of my list when I was looking at phones last year, but it was still unavailable when I decided to go with the Pixel 7.
Dangit Fairphone where were you 6 months ago when I was looking for a new phone.
Ohhh, I go between Europe and the US a lot and own one of these. Hopefully this means US companies will offer more support for the fairphone 4!
I support the idea, but I'm really skeptical. I bought the fairphone 2 when it came out and it just couldn't keep up anymore after 2 years. My understanding was that there would be upgradable modules but the only thing I got was a little bit better camera and case.
It would be great if there wouldn't be the need for more and more models but simply better modules to upgrade with the time.
That's a step in the right direction, hopefully in the future phones will be more like computers, where you can buy parts and build your own. At least that'd be my dream.
Well not all computers can be upgraded unfortunately. Looking at you MacBooks with SSDs welded to the motherboard…
Well, that's not a PC, it's a Mac :P
There aren't lots of compact devices that are upgradable, even on windows. Most use soldered ram and flash storage.
Then maybe it's time we changed that!
It's already happening:
Framework devices are cool as heck, but damn are they expensive...
Maybe if you spec them out.
But it's like $1000 for the midrange model with the latest hardware, which is in line with the competition.
And the first upgrade you do will end up saving money, since you won't have to replace the whole laptop.
Agree with the upgrade path, but I can't justify paying 1k for a midrange model (of any brand). I personally go to the used market, and spend up to 500€ for a ~2 year old machine (which was >1k new).
That's definitely the smart way to buy laptops.
I just wanted to remind people that Framework's pricing is competitive in the segment they are targeting.
Personally I'm with you, buying a 1-2 year old premium machine can save up to 75% off the new retail price, while still getting most of the latest features.
I have a Fairphone 3 for several years now and if it dies I will probably get another Fairphone. The camera could be better but I'm alright with it. The audio is broken when recording concerts. But I actually like my phone and it's pretty robust too.
the most sustainable smartphone is the one that you already have
Funny coincidence: Fairphone has a blog post titled exactly that. And they say the same thing on their shop page. You're going to replace your phone eventually, but Fairphone is the only phone company I know trying to stretch that out.
yay!!!
Can we use it for daily use ?
Yes, it's a perfectly usable device.
Sorry I was thinking of Pinephone. Any update on that ? Fairphone is just another android but better than major android players.
Like many of you, this was a much desired phone for me. Now I'm just left wondering how soon their next phone releases. Been too long. If I'm focused on eco friendly I may as well also stick with what I've got until then.
Yeah, the most eco-friendly thing anyone can do is keep using the phone they have.
I'm due for an upgrade from my pixel 3, which I love but the battery life is getting very low. I'm very interested in this, but wouldn't want to spend the money/resources on something that doesn't work well for me. Getting something upgradeable, then discovering the quality is bad and it doesn't last isn't very sustainable.
If anyone has any personal experience with this phone I'd love to hear it!
I've had one for a while now and overall I'm happy with it. The screen and camera are as good as some other devices and it doesn't support all of some bands that US providers use so service coverage may vary. I should also add that the touch sensitivity is a little off. I'm not sure if thats software or hardware to blame though.
I'm on a T-Mobile reseller and excluding situations like being inside a data center or being outside of town camping or whatever my service has been acceptable. Its also less an issue for me as in almost always in WiFi range.
I don't think the phone is upgradable. It is repairable though. The fact that it has an easily removable battery is enough to justify the device for me as glued in dead batteries have historically been my biggest issue with device longevity.
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it looks like it doesn't come with an expandable microsd slot
No it does. At least mine has one
Yeah same here. The micro SD slot is inside after you remove the battery.
Has anyone compared this to a PinePhone?
I bought a PinePhone and it works great as a mini laptop to do light programming. But as a phone I don’t think I could trust it, and the interface seemed to need some work. It was cool (though awkward to control) running full desktop apps like VLC though.
Perhaps I should have tried a different OS though. I couldn’t tell how much of it was software vs hardware limitations.
This would be a middle ground between a PinePhone and a big standard Android phone
It’s still running Android, but it doesn’t have Google Play Services
I love Fairphone's mission, but no headphone jack equals no purchase from me.
Does anyone know why they don’t have a headphone jack?
The fact that even they don’t include one actually makes me respect the existing phone manufacturers a lot more. I always assumed that Apple did it to sell airpods, and then the others did it just to copy Apple or sell their own dongles/headphones.
But if even an organization like this chose not to include one, then maybe not including it really does make the phone a lot smaller or cheaper or waterproof or whatever.
That being said, I can’t believe cars don’t have aux ports anymore. Surely the cost and size isn’t significant on that scale.
Disclaimer: both for cars and my phone, I’m generally happy with Bluetooth. But I want the option to use a headphone jack without needing to buy or remember a dongle. It’s insidious because the kinds of things that you would need a headphone jack for are uncommon enough that you won’t get into the habit of bringing a dongle for them (e.g. road trips, full day of phone interviews)
The CEO claimed it's because the USB C port can withstand more than the 3.5mm so it's more sustainable to use that. I honestly don't buy that argument because now you're putting all of that load from 2 ports into 1. Also, if they were truly Fairphone, I should be able to buy a replacement headphone jack if it does break.
I think he eventually admitted it was a mistake, but it turned from a definite purchase to a zero for me.
I though the official response was that they couldn't fit one without making the phone larger than it already is and that it was a hard decision.
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