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The man verbally and sexually harassed the plaintiffs, a mother and her 16-year-old daughter, on a nine-hour flight from JFK Airport to Athens, Greece last year, according to the Tuesday filing, which accuses the airline of gross negligence.

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[–] [email protected] 158 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

After the harassment had escalated from verbal to sexual assault, the mother requested that the flight attendant change their seats, but they allegedly said there was nothing they could do.

A different male passenger volunteered to switch seats with the teen, however, and sat between the man and the mother for the remainder of the trip, according to the filing.

It it sometimes shocking how little it takes to be someone's hero when nobody else seems to care.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seriously. I hate that some rando has to step in because the people who are literally there to step in either can’t or won’t.

When did fucking around on planes stop being followed by finding out? This guy had zero consequences after being so overt about it that a separate third party intervened.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I thought this was the kind of shit that got you duct taped to your chair for 10 hours but I guess not

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Seriously, where the fuck was the air marshall?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

There aren't air marshals on every flight. That would be impossible to staff.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

air marshall, if present, likely isnt stepping in unless there is an imminent danger to life.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

sexually assaulting a different passenger

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

at some point during covid, united ceo told staff to stop doing that. not sure if delta feels the same way

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

Airlines should be required to have at least a row of seats vacant. The current standard of intentionally over booking gives the flight staff very few options to deal with unruly passengers. SOMEONE needs to occupy the seats next to belligerent passengers, because there aren't any other options.

This is a problem created by airline greed.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

It reminds me of being in a reverse situation. In that instance, I was the teenage girl, stuck between two guys who were drinking. Fortunately, it didn't escalate to this extent, but it definitely made me realize my vulnerability.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I wish another passenger had volunteered to throw him out of the plane.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

10 drinks in 9 hours? Delta would be smart to settle this one quickly.

Meanwhile this dude should be in prison.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's actually not that many, assuming they weren't guzzling 10 in the first hour. Depending on height and body weight, a drink an hour wouldn't even put a male's BAC above the legal driving limit in most places in the U.S.

Drunk or not, they should definitely be catching charges

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Drinking on a plane typically hits people harder, I’ve seen estimates that say you essentially double your level of inebriation when drinking while flying

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've heard that as well, though I looked it up and it doesn't seem to have any hard evidence (from a cursory google search). The one thing I did see that seemed convincing is that higher altitudes have less oxygen, so your blood will have less oxygen making you feel more drunk at a BAC level you would be fine with on the ground.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah but you're in a pressurized cabin with supplemental oxygen.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I've personally never felt any different after some drinks on a flight versus on the ground. I didn't find any study or anything that supports this, I was trying to find something that supported what they said (and I have also heard it said). All I could find was speculation. I wouldn't even feel a drink an hour at my height and weight.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I'd guess he had some before the flight too.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago

" Delta has not commented on the lawsuit but, in a statement to Fox Business, said that the airline “has zero tolerance for customers who engage in inappropriate or unlawful behavior.”

“Nothing is more important than the safety of our customers and our people,” Delta told the outlet. "

What a joke. I hope they win the case.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have some entirely speculative guesses about what sorts of stickers adorn that man's vehicle, and what sorts of flags are flying in front of his house.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Delta being Delta. Glad I never flew with them and never will.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It sucks because I used to like them. Now Delta is in the same rank as United now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As someone who flies a lot for both work and travel, Delta is by far the best of the domestic airlines for customer service. Their planes aren't as new as American/United, but they make up for it with better service. Alaska is decent but doesn't fly nearly as many places, and they also give long, annoying "sign up for our credit card" speeches on every flight.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

As someone who's flown internationally plenty of times, if this is your best treatment, fuck that.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What I can't imagine it's how can people let that happen? Hot him, hit him hard. Stop him. Yes, I know, lawsuit yadayada, but there are situations that simply transcendent that. Was there nobody who was physically able to hurt him? And if not, like I tell my daughter, go to the guys over there and tell them, directly " you. Help me. That guy is assaulting me."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

last time I was on a delta flight they unbelievably had those thick, heavy, foodservice style coffee cups. in a perfect world this wouldn’t have happened, but in a just-slightly-better-than-ours world, this dumb fuck spent most of those 9 hours doctoring a concussion.