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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

It's really worth reading the article.

Tor can be used for any internet browsing you usually do. The key difference with Tor is that the network hides your IP address and other system information for full anonymity.

The company behind a VPN can still access your information, sell it or pass it along to law enforcement. With Tor, there’s no link between you and your traffic, according to Jed Crandall, an associate professor at Arizona State University.

I don't know if it's even possible, but it would be cool if I could use the fediverse over TOR just for the sake of supporting TOR. Not sure if there would have to be specific .onion instances, if normal instances could just be mirrored with a .onion address, or if a .onion instance would even be able to federated in the first place. I just don't know how it works.

Other use cases may include keeping the identities of sensitive populations like undocumented immigrants anonymous, trying to unionize a workplace without the company shutting it down, victims of domestic violence looking for resources without their abuser finding out or, as Crandall said, wanting to make embarrassing Google searches without related targeted ads following you around forever.

I'm certain an all-out legislative war would be waged against TOR if it were to become popularized for most of those reasons, under the more convenient guise of "criminals and children!"

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Tor can be used for any internet browsing you usually do. The key difference with Tor is that the network hides your IP address and other system information for full anonymity

Also, this isn't true. MANY sites and services block access from Tor, including major ones that people use everyday.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Also. Those running an exit node can and do sniff traffic.

It’s bad practice to login to stuff that’s important (like banking) over tor. Or login to anything over for you have logged into over the clear.

Also, nation states can track you using a variety of techniques from fingerprinting to straight up working together to associate connection streams. A large number of tor nodes are run by alphabet agencies. Hell the protocol was developed by the us navy.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

You don't need to access a .onion instance to use Tor. You can simply perform your day-to-day web usage through Tor directly.

On your phone, you can even use Tor natively with most of your apps.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I've literally always browsed Lemmy over Tor. I even made this account over it, which surprised me when it worked.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I always have Tor installed and I often use it instead of incognito browser sessions when researching stuff. It's sometimes slow and Cloudflare made it a lot more annoying to use than ~5-10 years ago, but I'm glad it exists.

I'm sure it's still more useful to US interests though, or it wouldn't be funded anymore.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Any time I've tried to use Tor in the past I gave up because it was frustratingly slow.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Those onion layers don't add up to nothing.. also I've heard it's under constant attack. Plus not enough people running relays and exit nodes.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

There is no amount of money that you could pay me to run an exit node

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Actual legal risks and consequences don't go away by applying wishful thinking.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (9 children)
[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I am not sure what he's hinting at. Just using Tor doesn't bear any legal risks. Hosting an exit node is different, as depending on the country you might get into serious trouble if certain traffic goes through it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yes exactly, and I think there have been stories recently where the exit node host has been held liable for content that's gone through it.Which is complete bullshit, but the unfortunate reality is that the legal system doesn't need to understand technology to regulate it.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah, is this guy living in China?

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't think I really have a reason to use it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The reason is privacy, everybody has a reason to use it.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In theory yes, but practically speaking trying to access a lot of the modern web over TOR would be at best painfully slow and at worst almost impossible thanks to DDoS protection providers like cloudflare.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This right here. A very large part of the web is inaccessible from TOR. Last I tried you couldn't access social media, Google constantly forces you through captchas because it thinks you're a bot, and anything on a CDN will either forces captchas or just doesn't work. Financial institutions absolutely are all inaccessible.

Privacy is important, but most of the places you want to go with TOR to stay private won't let you in because malicious actors want to use it for the same reasons.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Facebook has an official.onion domain and it's the only way I access it, as it's required for my employer.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (8 children)

then try reading the article

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It would help if Tor would be more useful for regular use. The few times I used it, it was for VPN-style geolocation circumvention. Tor supports it by changing ExitNodes, but the setting is hidden deep down in a config file and required a restart. Not exactly a great user experience for a setting that you might wanna flip pretty frequently.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

It's a hidden setting because it's not recommended to change that setting for people who need anonymity.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I heard of a guy who went to prison because he bought something from Allegro (Polish Amazon) over TOR. Someone used the same exit node for hacking, so they pinned it on him.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

What country? Sounds like a kangaroo court or a court staffed entirely by old people.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago

court staffed entirely by old people

Isn't that most courts?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I will use it if the speed is comparable to normal browsing......

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

You go first.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I imagine more people would use Tor if they could get paid to provide bandwidth (like Orchid as described on FLOSS Weekly 633).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Operating nodes is expensive, offers no reward, and comes with a serious legal risk.

This won't stop the NSA from operating a few. I assume that a significant portion of Tor nodes is run by intelligence agencies. If they control all nodes used for a connection(i believe three are used), they can probably piece together what connections a user is having.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But that's part of its appeal. How else do I know I'm one of the cool kids?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm under the impression that my use will only make it slower for people who really need it.

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