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I assume this is the genesis of a Five Eyes cloud platform.

Questions for me are which commercial partners are in the mix, and how will they ensure TS-level security?

I guess we'll never truly know, but it's hard not to worry about the implications of this.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Delightful. It will compliment our institutional lack of knowledge, poor adherence to IT good practices and tendency to data breaches wonderfully.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You know the frustrating thing? The ASD is actually good. They have extremely reasonable standards, a good education for departments and training of auditing companies for their standards, great published stuff.

But security costs money and we can blame breeches on those devilish h4ck3r5 so yeah nah

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

yeah autism spectrum disorder is great

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Don't know if you forgot a /s there, but if not, ASD in this context means Australian Signals Directorate

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Mmm poorly justified omnisurvellience methods during a period of unprecedented peace.

Defs 5 eyes stuff, so all your data are going to be slurped up into some no such agency algorithm that'll spit back to the AFP "a investigate this chump, no we can't tell you why but your harassment is legal now".

Ahh the future, minority report except instead of clarvoiant bath people we get racist algorithms glued together with PHP.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Not so "Top Secret" any more, now that it's been in the news...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Although I might be telling you something you already know (and at risk of sounding really boring); it sounds like what they're really doing here is standing up a system that is certified to handle data up to "top secret" classification. The fact that such a system exists, in and of itself, is clearly not a secret.

There are a huge number of requirements for systems handling data like that, everything from specific requirements for how physical cables are labelled, to which cryptographic algorithms are used for encryption, all the way through to corporate governance and management plans within the organisations that are involved. It is essentially a giant exercise in bureaucratic box ticking (although I can understand why governments want to be thorough about this stuff).

After completing that entire process, what you're left with is usually a fairly standard computer system, plus a whole bunch of assurances that this specific system is okay to use for "top secret" information. The actual capabilities of the system (and certainly the data within it) may well be top secret, but the existence of the system isn't.

It's broadly similar to the GovTeams PROTECTED system. The existence of the system itself is public information, complete with a relatively slick website, but the actual access to the system is controlled. A quick glance at that website makes it clear that GovTeams is essentially just MS Teams / MS365 but certified for "PROTECTED" information. In the same way, I would bet money on it that this "top secret " cloud system ends up just being a fairly standard commercial offering from a major cloud provider (Azure, AWS, etc.) which is approved for storing top secret information after the parties involved complete the required box ticking.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

No need to be top secret when no one can stop you and you’ve made it almost impossible to live outside the system.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Big Brother is already here lol.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Australia is developing a "top secret" intelligence community cloud to help national security agencies better detect threats through shared data, while also being interoperable with US and UK spy networks.

Director-General of the Office of National Intelligence (ONI), Andrew Shearer, has revealed some details of the project which would facilitate the sharing of "vast amounts of data", during an address to the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in the United States.

Mr Shearer said the "experiences" of the US and UK in building out their respective intelligence clouds has also shaped Australia's program, helping confront "problems" and avoid "some of the pitfalls".

"ONI led an open Request for an Expression of Interest (REOI) process in 2021 to determine possible partners for a TS Cloud to ensure better connectivity and collaboration across the National Intelligence Community (NIC)," a spokesperson told ABC News.

The spokesperson declined to name which companies were involved or how the new cloud would manage material classified 'Australian Eyes Only', saying "for reasons of national security we don't provide further detail regarding capabilities or technologies".

During his CSIS address Mr Shearer confirmed a new Australian National Intelligence Community strategy would include a "set of principles" that will make sharing of new technologies across various agencies mandatory.


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