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Kelsey Grammer sounded curt this morning when he brusquely told a BBC Today program interviewer that he still supports Donald Trump but, according to his interviewer, this curtness doesn’t tell the full story.

Grammer’s interviewer Justin Webb said the Frasier star was “perfectly happy” to go on talking about his support for the former POTUS, “the Paramount+ PR team, less so.”

Grammer has previously expressed support for Trump – a relatively rare position for a TV and movie star to take – and he also used his BBC interview to back Roseanne Barr, another self-confessed Trump supporter.

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[–] [email protected] 238 points 11 months ago (16 children)

Frasier was on my backlog of stuff to watch. It's nice when my backlog clears itself like this.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (20 children)

Original Frasier is still one of the all time amazing shows. And that is almost entirely because of the "supporting cast" of David Hyde Pearce, John Mahoney, Jane Leeves, and Peri Gilpin. It is 100% still worth watching and it is even clear what episodes/seasons they were working around Grammer being coked out of his mind or otherwise problematic.

Its not quite Person of Interest's (paraphrasing only because I can't look up the specific wording right now) "he is like a dog that pissed everywhere and wouldn't stop talking about hitler" mess, but Grammer also generally seems more like a dumbass Bush-era Republican as opposed to a full alt-right lunatic. He is a piece of shit who has condoned a LOT of hate, but is also "a product of his time" as it were.

As for new Frasier? I am a lot less interested in watching that. Mostly because, as so many of us point out, "They did a Frasier spinoff starring the worst character"*

But OG Frasier? The show increasingly became focused around Niles (which makes sense since Niles was a lot closer to what Cheers-era Frasier actually was) and David Hyde Pearce put on multiple master classes as he and the writers somehow managed to perfectly capture "the adult millennial" years before we even existed. And so many of the interactions with Martin (Mahoney) hit so much harder as you have lived a lot longer and had to acknowledge the failings of others. Daphne and Roz were often stuck in comic relief mode, but Leeves and Gilpin still kick ass when they are given a chance to shine. And, piece of shit that he is, Grammer can pull off an epic monologue to close out an emotional arc and leave you on the verge of tears, right before you burst into laughter at the punchline.

*: Also, it very much bothers me that Freddy became Martin. Maybe they go into it more, but his childhood very much established him as the offspring of Frasier and Lilith. And while it makes sense that he would rebel against his overbearing parents to be like his fun and "man of the people" Grandfather, it is completely unearned. Maybe the back half of the season does that but... I still think that having one of Niles's children (maybe a daughter) as the Martin role would be a lot more fitting. Niles dealing with a Firefighter child is comedic gold and Niles and Daphne are much more likely to "let their kids be who they are". And it would play on The Moon Genes fears of the last few episodes.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago

I would have given the benefit of the doubt until the Roseanne part. My condolences to the good people whose creative work will go unseen.

flushing sounds

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

He is a piece of shit who has condoned a LOT of hate, but is also “a product of his time” as it were.

We're still in his time. I don't think we should excuse people by saying they're a product of their time until they've been dead for a while.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 11 months ago

I mean... no Niles, no care

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

Yep! Buh bye now. Buh bye.

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[–] [email protected] 124 points 11 months ago (5 children)

if you support Trump, you're a traitor

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[–] [email protected] 112 points 11 months ago (12 children)

Kelsey Grammar has always been a bible bashing whack job.

Just go look up his late night interview where he talks about how he randomly opens the bible to answer the question ‘how long will I live for?’ And is satisfied that god answers him by saying he will live to 160 (or some other ridiculous figure I can’t remember).

Seriously he thinks the bible is a magic eight ball and god is guiding what page it turns to.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

"God, what awaits me today?"

There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. --Ezekiel 23:20

"oh."

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Don't you mean "bible thumping"? Bible bashing is what I do when I call it horse shit.

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 11 months ago (14 children)

"Kelsey! Stop telling people the truth about yourself! Paramount+ is hemorrhaging money!"

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 57 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Clearly, the writers just followed him around and wrote down what he said whenever they had a Sideshow Bob episode.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 11 months ago

This is disappointing to hear

[–] [email protected] 67 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I could hardly stand Kelsey Grammer before I found out that he was a magat, now I want to throw stuff at him

[–] [email protected] 37 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The real question you have to ask is why he supports Trump. Greed or hate?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago

I respected him as a performer and enjoyed his work. That's now in the past.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago

I never liked Cheers or Frasier, but he seemed like an okay actor overall. I mean you wouldn't have Sideshow Bob without him.

That doesn't make him less of a shithead though.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 11 months ago (2 children)

He only mostly supports the insurrection and attempted overthrow of our democracy, so it's cool.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Frasier is so old, Trump is the only way he can maintain an insurrection.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Fuck Kelsey Grammer. I hope his reboot fails miserably.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago (4 children)

And I just lost all respect for him, along with any desire to ever see him on screen ever again.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago

Grammer never went full "Kirk Cameron" with his professional career, but he's always been super right-wing, and the guy has some notable bible thumper and anti-abortion flicks on his IMDB page. He's done a decent job of keeping his fringy beliefs out of the press.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Guy who was in multiple pro-us army movies is pro Trump. Shocker of the year here.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Nobody that is pro-US army should support Trump, cause Trump is obviously anti-US army.

Nobody that is pro-US should support Trump, cause Trump is obviously anti-US.

Nobody should support Trump.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

His sister was murdered in the most conservative town in Colorado. Maybe conservativism doesn't work Mr. Grammer?

[–] [email protected] 41 points 11 months ago (1 children)

To them conservatism can never fail. It can only be failed, because you didn't conservative hard enough. There is no introspection, no critical thinking. Only doubling down. Because otherwise all the suffering would have been for naught.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I know you're joking, but at the same time I know you're really not.

Republicans do not believe that they do not make mistakes, they merely believe that admitting a mistake would in itself be a mistake

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

He’s a MAGAt? Pathetic. What an asshole.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

I didn't know that until today. Really disappointing.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (3 children)

If the Frasier reboot fails, will he have been cancelled?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago

If I never watch it, did it ever air?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Anyone can support anyone they like, but it speaks to your character at the very least.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

Dude literally led an insurrection to overthrow democracy, wake the fuck up with this nonsense?

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Boycott Paramount, they suck anyway

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

Loved the OG Frasier show. The new one is cringe as hell. Without Niles the show lost like 90% of its charm.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It’s ok. Frazier reboot is unlikely to get renewed. People didn’t watch the original for Kelsey. They watched it for the talented ensemble and skillful writing.

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