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[–] [email protected] 42 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Lol, as if terms of service for something freely available on the internet that doesn't require an account to use mean anything at all. Stop huffing your own farts, Google.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Google cares a lot more about me watching ads than I care about watching YouTube.

With that being said, I've only encountered the "Ad blockers violate YouTube's terms of service" screen once, and when I refreshed it was gone

[–] [email protected] 32 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I've been with Firefox since the start and it's going well. I tried the others to see what's up but they never satisfied me. I'm a Firefox user all the way.

Mandatory: FUCK REDDiT!!!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Same for the most part, but I will say I tried using Firefox on the Macbook Pro I used when I was working on my masters, and it was an absolute memory hog. I noticed during my tenure on r/firefox that most of the posts complaining about sluggishness or consuming massive amounts of memory came from Mac OS users, so I feel like I wasn't alone.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I never used an apple computer for my personal use so can't say much about performance issues because in the limited time I had to use them I was using safari because I couldn't be bothered to do anything extra. In my humble opinion I do believe there can be issues because Mozilla doesn't have the best record for optimizations for platforms. But it seems they are doing a better job lately because when I use Firefox on Linux or windows I barely notice anything.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Oh, absolutely! Firefox on Linux and Windows has never been a problem for me. The only problem I had on Linux is the flatpak version gets stuttery when I want to stream from sites of questionable repute, which I could probably fix if I weren't too lazy to troubleshoot it.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I know that it's an herculean task with millions of workhours to build a browser from scratch with all engines JS (SpiderMonkey), CSS (Quantum) and HTML (Gecko) and we can be lucky to have Firefox. I use the very performant version on Android every day and especially appreciate that Dark Reader and uBlock Origin work.

May I have a minute to talk to you about our saviour Vivaldi?

If no other browser could satisfy you, you either haven't tried Vivaldi, you haven't tried it long enough or you tried an old version.

For me no other browser comes close regarding the IMO most important feature of browsers (beside supporting the essential web-standards): tab management. Stacking, tiling, hibernating, pinning and more recently the fantastic workspace-feature.

That's only on the tab-front. How about: built in tracker- & ad-blocker, built in dark website-mode, translator, email-client, rss reader, note-app, reading-list, user definable search-engines, page screenshots, appify websites into sidebar and another killer feature: press F2 for a combined command-window and search-everywhere popup.

The next best thing after the year of the Linux Desktop would be if Vivaldi and Firefox joined forces and Vivaldi would switch to Firefox's engines.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Edge does nearly all those things now too. Edge and Vivaldi are both closed source and yet another Chromium under the hood.

I'll pass ty.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

First of all I respect your love and support for Vivaldi. I'm also happy that you find something that is satisfying for you.

Yes, Vivaldi is a solid option but it never clicked for me because of all the extra bells and whistles you mentioned.

When I said I'm not satisfied with all these other famous browsers it's because I tired them on an off many times but for my use case they don't bring me anything over Firefox. I don't need nor I want a built-in RSS reader, ad/tracker blockers, VPN, email client, translator etc... It doesn't make a browser better in my humble opinion. It's just adding extra stuff that I don't want. I want the freedom to add or remove anything I want.

I might be the odd one but I want things to be simple. When I buy a phone I don't want to be paying for the extra cameras it has or when I buy a PC I don't want the RGB stuff or when I buy a car I don't want it to be connected to internet and require software updates. I don't want my fridge to have internet connection nor my TV to have one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for understanding. Didn't want to disrespect your inclination to Firefox. Everyone should use what they like best. And I sure don't want to sound preachy...but...YOU'RE MISSING OUT BIG TIME! Can I come in for just a moment to tell you about your path to a better life?

"Simple things should be simple but complex things should be possible" (Alan Kay)

Vivaldi's UI is pretty minimal by default and can be minimized even more. Heck you even can hide the tab- and url-bar and completely navigate with F2. You can call it a day and keep using it like that or you go on to create mouse gestures, quick commands or themes, you set the key combos, configure the look of your speed dial and add search engines. That's my last try, Neo. Do you take the red or the blue pill?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Ahahaha. Thanks but no thanks. I don't have a fear of missing out and I don't see myself using Vivaldi as my default browser in anytime soon.

Good luck with your conversion efforts.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Just so you know, Piped.video is also an option. And you can import your subscription feed from YouTube.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I prefer Freetube and Newpipe as those don't depend on some server (aside from youtube servers duh)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

The cool thing about Piped is that it serves as a proxy, so you don't connect to YouTube directly

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

~~Newpipe uses piped as a backend~~ this is false, it was LibreTube I was thinking of

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You might be confusing it with Libretube

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

oml I totally am

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

yeah for sure you should have ditched chrome (or chrome based browsers) years ago imho, but you do realize that this can happen on firefox too, right?

easy fix: just update the ublock quick list in the settings of the addon.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I've already gone to the next step.

Youtube clients that block ads.

Gotta stay a step ahead.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

What one is working for you?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

For desktop I use the Freetube client.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

theres also piped

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

@Seigest @spudwart
Invidious is working for me.

Unfortunately my work (school district) blocks it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

cant you just use an instance that isnt blocked?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't uBlock still work great with Youtube? Even then there is Peertube, Piped and the many apps that use Piped in different platforms anyway.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Right now on my Firefox it's blocking the footage, not the audio, and I still gotta wait on the ads. I've tried screwing about in ublock origin's settings a bit but it's not worked out for me.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Worked completely fine for me yesterday. Haven't tried today yet.

Make sure you don't have any other adblockers (unfortunately reddit but official): https://old.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/17tm9rp/youtube_antiadblock_and_ads_november_12_2023_mega/

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (8 children)

I have seen so many inbuilt ad blockers of browsers fail, especially at YouTube, even before the recent changes, that I was surprised to see them still being used and promoted by eg. Louis Rossmann.
IMO basically nothing can beat addons, at least if seen for all browsers or just firefox.
Browser devs can't focus on ad blocking functionality. And their team developing ad blockers will certainly be smaller than the team of devs for adblock addons; the browser just needs somewhat functional stuff while the addon depends on delivering a very good to perfect to be used and to receive donations.
On chromium, with Manifest V3 at our doors, built in ad blockers will win over addons by far, just because they have more power.

This creates an interesting situation, at least in my mind fed by my bubble:
Tech nerds will use firefox, probably with adblock addon
Tech illiterates will use whatever comes preinstalled - Edge, without any adblock
Users that know the concept of browsers will probably use Chrome, or other browsers they heard before - possibly a Chromium browser with built in blocker

Now, what happens if the built in blockers fail - again and again and again? Will the somewhat knowledgeable user care and switch to another browser, maybe the one pushed the most for adblocking: FF with uBlock?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Use LibreWolf, it's essentially Firefox on steroids. It removes all the bloat like Pocket or Sponsored sites, it adds significant privacy benefits and comes with uBlock Origin preinstalled.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

I have been using Firefox since 2016-17! I had Chrome but the interface became ugly? Then I got Firefox, I liked the interface and the pockets extension, let's me same links online if I want.

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