You could try dropping the condescending tone. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean he is uneducated.
I would also recommend being polite and using the charity principle. You generally won't change someone's mind by berating him.
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To say something controversial: maybe listen to what they have to say and try to understand why they think what they think, instead of assuming that you're automatically right and just need to educate them.
I think its pretty weird if you say trans people are treated equally, let alone more rights. It's still a societal problem we have in a lot of places and in my experience all I meet that are trans have some sucky times because of other people...
To be fair there is an entire month dedicated to LGBT pride.
There wouldn’t need to be a month dedicated to pride if lgbt people weren’t discriminated against.
I'm just starting what the average person sees.
So it makes it equal because they get a "month". I get it. You probably don't know a lot of these people and i didnt use to either. But when speaking about their life experience, they have been shunned from most friend groups and yeah they all chill with like minded people cause you know there aren't any bigots there.
I get that if you were like me and you really arent a bigot, that it is hard to see the (daily) struggles and think well I dont see any discrimination. But like most people can amend to is that most have more struggles because they are of the lgbtq+ group.
Exactly. Most of us can't really know about it because we don't see it everyday.
All of my LGBTQ friends have a story or another of a scary situation, and I live in a very LGBTQ friendly place.
Saying there's no discrimination against them is either misinformed, or burying your head in the sand.
The post was asking about normies and I was relating what should be expected and the thought process there in.
Thats the issue though. They dont think, Ive tried asking them about stuff and they'll parrot things like "puberty blockers kill people." then I show them that study was wrong and they just dont believe me lol.
So your only example is a strawman nobody believes?
People actually use "puberty blockers are harmful" as an actual argument so I dont think its that hard to believe.
Why are you linking the Federalist?
Lol you've already pivoted your argument. Seems you're the one incapable of good faith interaction
There is a stark difference between the average opinion in online spaces and in real life. Most people will just flat out not care. Talk about golf or the weather or something.
Anti-trans rhetoric drives up suicide rates in trans people. My personal moral code is incompatable with participating.
Not judging your personal moral code, that's up to you.
From what I see here for example: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5649411/
There's no good data apart from: Suicide rates are higher than in general population and remain higher than general population even after surgery.
Tbh, I don't know much beyond "transgender people exist". No idea about any nuances, the exact kinds of transgender, the differences etc. There seems to be a lot more to it than "trans men/women", and I feel a bit ignorant trying to make sense of terms like "asexual" by their dictionary definitions.
I've so far been living by the motto "be a decent person", considering myself open-minded and tolerant, but if there are good sources of information with an overview of all this, please drop me a link.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink.
I think it’s fine to want to educate the undereducated, but the reality is they’ll never learn unless they want to learn. So when they say something ignorant, you can just say that hasn’t been your experience.
If they ask for more you can share your experience. If they’re still interested then you can open it up to the broader national or global narrative.
I feel for you and your loved ones and I hope you have success finding and building allies in your community.
A lot of the beliefs surrounding this issue are decade old lies that have been repeated so often that they've become the "truth".
Best example is the classic rhetoric of public bathrooms.
You might have heard that "Trans people just want to rape little girls in public bathrooms".
The fact is, the only instance of a trans person ever raping someone in a bathroom I could find was at a women's prison. Prison bathrooms have a certain reputation regarding rape, so let's leave it at that.
Meanwhile, trans people are 4 times more likely to be victims of rape than the general population, and I was able to find multiple instances of trans people getting raped in bathrooms by cis people. Let that sink in for a moment.
Getting people to realize these old lies are just that, old shitty lies, has given me some amount of success in educating people in real-life debates.
I like to figuratively give people shovels and let them dig themselves into a hole. A lot of people I talk to don't really have good evidence, they've just been convinced by someone louder than them.
Ask genuine questions, not debate me bro style, for explanations. If they're open minded, maybe they'll question things. If they're closed minded, you were never gonna get anywhere with them.