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Guess where? Unironically r/Save3rdPartyApps
The Reddit search for Lemmy also gives these privacy copy-pasta as top results when searching for Lemmy. I'm still betting that Reddit employees are involved in boosting these posts.
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A search for “raddle vs lemmy” also turns up a very spicy post from a couple weeks ago (on raddle) regarding one of Lemmy’s creators, not sure what to make of it personally.
edit: Oh sorry, here is the link to what I mentioned.
I've gotten to old and busy to give two shits about someone's background as long as it's not pushed in my face.
If I come across racist, homophobic, warmongering, outright Nazi or tankie stuff among many other things, I simply block the person/community and move on with my life.
I'm not knowledgeable enough on the software to respond to these claims, but the great thing about open source software is that you can raise these as issue on Github and they can be fixed.
that link is a steaming pile of screeching stupidity and circle-je***ing. I... I just have no words.
I've noticed most people who make foss software are either communists or libertarians. I don't really care about their political views because they are giving away free shit for not much in return and you have to be a little nutty to do that. If it bothers people they can use kbin. The cool thing about the fediverse is have more choices.
Good grief that was an intense read through.
Definitely seems like the creators are some real pieces of shit. But being open sourced means anyone can fork Lemmy anytime and make changes to the code. So if the creators mess with the code, people can just jump ship to a different fork. The integration with activitypub should make that pretty doable.
I did not know you call leftists "real pieces of shit". That makes you look really bad, I think.
Denying genocide is sort of shitty though.
The Holocaust happened. The Armenian Genocide happened. Manifest Destiny happened.
The Ughyr detention centers, whatever you think of them, do not constitute a genocide. The Ukrainian Famine was a tragic loss of life, and perhaps the Bolsheviks could have done more to prevent it, but it was not an attempted extermination of the Ukrainian people. And don't even get me started on Rwanda.
And Liberals routinely deny genocide in Palestine and Kashmir because it is politically expedient.
A blanket reproachment of "Genocide Denial" ignores the fact that sometimes, a genocide is claimed where one does not exist. I'm sure you accept that "White Genocide", especially wrt South Africa, is a conspiracy theory with no legitimacy. Why do you not give the same benefit of the doubt to China, or the USSR?
You have to use facts to backup evidence for genocide, not media propaganda or religious nutjobs who claim "God sent me with the mission to destroy China".
Sure, and then continuing to deny it is kind of shitty.
It is, but only when genocide is proved and not made up out of thin air to manufacture consent or justify aggression with foreign policy.
Fortunately, tankies aren't leftists, since authoritarianism and hierarchy is necessarily a right-wing viewpoint.
Since the two instances run by the developers are generally pro-genocide and pro-authoritarianism, those are some huge sticking points for Lemmy going forward. Federation doesn't help because they control the biggest instances and the development of the software itself. I wouldn't be surprised if the developers invited more people into the core group and stepped down from a leadership position to avoid being a lightning rod for all of the ecosystem.
You almost sound like you want to say fascists are not right wingers.
You are getting tempbanned for false accusations, as Lemmy developers cleared these false accusations. https://join-lemmy.org/news/2023-06-17_-_Update_from_Lemmy_after_the_Reddit_blackout
It is impossible not to be authoritarian, if anything this case has been written about by Engels already. If anything this call to abolish all hierarchy immediately without any relation to material reality is bound to end up in complete and utter failure.
How does a revolutionary movement organize? How do we spread discipline amongst ourselves? How are we to know what to do? Where and when? How do we act when fascists take interest in destroying us? How do we organize local politics, then in a province and then nationally so that the revolution is protected from outside forces that wish to undermine it? These questions must be answered if we are to fight for communism.
Also! How does a stance on denying false accusations of genocide suddenly for some god forsaken reason make a person pro-genocide!? If anything on Lemmygrad you find people who are the first and most passionate at scrutinize genocides!
Next, Nutomic and Dessalines only control lemmy.ml. That's it. sh.itjust.works, beehaw.org, sopuli.xyz, lemmy.world and lemmygrad.ml are all independent from them! And in the world of AGPLv3 software it is impossible for a certain group to be a de-facto owner of a project. They may be the original creators, but the source code is out there for anyone and everyone to use, modify and share without end! That includes forking into and independent code base and making a lemmy alternative from itself. Lemmy isn't inherently Marxist, just because the devs are. Lemmygrad is, because that's what it was created for.
agreed. a reddit clone atop activitypub seems to be an uneasy, but workable fit. there are many areas to improve upon, including baking in more privacy by default and solidifying the best use of the underlying protocol.
with any code from anyone, vigilance is required to ensure that the tool remains neutral. diversion from that means its fork time. the social interactions on the network appear to be "evening out" and, while some may call that gentrification, I think a social mix is required for success.
as of yet, I have not seen any sound technical argument put forward -- apart from those related to the relative nascent state of the project -- to put me off of it. should that change, then decisions will need to be made.
bottom line... political alignment (and even extremism) of anyone involved in the technical development process is mostly irrelevant when the social network is so much bigger than any person.