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Why is defederation an option when Limit/Mute exist? (reddthat.com)

submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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In short i just jumped into the whole Mastodon blocking drama and am somewhat disappointed to see it as childish as reddit's power mod drama. Accelerated by the fact that a Limit/Mute option exist just fine, i wonder why Block/Defederation is an option at all. It only moves power from the user to admins without anything in return. With just Mute, as far as i can tell, one still wouldn't have to look on certain instances, but could interact/whitelist certain individuals and we'd get rid of the multi account requirement overnight. So why isn't it that way?

Edit: For those annoyed by the same siloing issues, look into ATProto. Bluesky may be a big unknown, but the protocol itself looks a lot more promising in terms of user freedom.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Gotta be able to boot Nazis. Otherwise it'll be Nazi bar.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I always suspect the people who don't want defederation to be a thing kinda want the nazi bar. It's always the lead into the freeze peach bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I often say, "Free Speech doesn't mean other people are required to provide you with a soap box and megaphone."

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

Relevant xkcd

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

Sounds like it. Anti-defederation is the lead to freeze peach bs, which in turn is also the lead to Nazi bars. It's leads all the way down to Naziland!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Right there with you, I've actually found that it very often is the case.

[+] [email protected] -9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We don't want defed because it's a sledgehammer 'solution' that immediately denies us agency and reeks of Reddit-tier pre-emptive sub banning.

The Nazi Bar idea is for the most part a boogeyman.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

If you want your shitty 8chan-esque absolute free speech platform go for it and make your own, just don’t moan that others don’t agree to such nonsense.

Most of us want to avoid the shit instances entirely and we certainly don’t bloody want to have to go around manually investigating and blocking the CSAM or other horrific ones.

But hey, you go do . . . somewhere far away from the rest of us.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

So what ur saying is severs should have a default ban list for users that u can be ammended if u want? Maybe label each server as to why its on the list so u can unban an instance and not have to check if its depraved shit urself.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

Ironically the most defederated instances are hexbear, lemmygrad and other tankie/lil'pink instances, and to them anyone who disagrees with them is a Nazi.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Dont see how it will become a nazi bar if u can personally delete them from your existance.