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Sometimes it's hard to feel sorry for Apple users given the amount of repeated nickeling and diming they go through,yet make excuses for (as seen in the comments). Definitely shades of battered woman syndrome
On the other hand, the phone just works, upgrades between devices are seamless, and the phone retains value after 4 years.
Plus, the backup restoration is insane. If you stole my phone, I’d be back to where I was within an hour or two — all of which is driving to Apple and waiting on a sales clerk to pull an iPhone from the back, then going to a store owned by my cell carrier to register the device on their network. No device re-customization at all in the equation. There is nothing like it on Android.
5GB is a lame amount for a base tier of storage in 2024 but it’s hardly abuse.
This sounds like something that hasn't been true for 5-10 years tbh. At least not within the Pixel family. I upgrade phones without a single hiccup. My older phones are still around and used daily by my kids with no problema. I've had to wipe a phone and restore from the cloud backup and it was a matter of minutes to be usable, and was effectively like nothing had happened as soon as my apps and their data finished downloading.
I setup both for work. On this front there is hardly any difference. For the average user, it now comes down to OS and device preference. I manage my family's apple and google accounts and neither was much harder than the other. Now, for work, preparing an iPhone is much, much more complicated than an Android device. This, once again, only matters if you don't have automated enrollment from your business carrier into your MDM.
(I ended up wiped/deleted this comment, but it's original contents stated that I had upgraded my drawer-android-phone to a S23 last year from another 3-4 year old Samsung device, and that I wasn't sure what to say here. I deleted the comment because, I don't have the energy to debate)
I don't deny it might feel foreign to someone using iOS daily for decades. But that's not the statement. The statement was that iOS does things like upgrades, backup restoration, and value retention better, which just isn't true anymore.
I use both, actually, because Android tablets in my experience have been pretty disappointing, so I'm pretty familiar with both ecosystems.
As I said, I'm not sure what to say. I've done both cases, a transfer and restoration, and had issues with both where some app data didn't copy over. Maybe I should prioritize getting a Pixel device as my next Android fiddle-phone.
Contacts, photos, settings were mostly fine (though I did not do an exhaustive audit, but I'll give it credit here).
Same with android
Same with android
Aight you got me there, except for that apple has been proven in court to slow down their older models of phones
Same with android
I just go to walmart
Same with android
False
I agree, if people are willing to buy into apple they get what apple serves them.
Oh wait
Stop it! You make android look good, oh no!
/s
I have had zero issues restoring or moving between android phones. What in the world are you talking about?
Meanwhile my mom forgot her apple password and their customer support was so unhelpful she had to get a new account after talking to them for months. They refused to let her reset her password.
Apple makes my life as the family sysadmin significantly easier. If I only had to worry about myself I’d do Android with a privacy focused ROM, but I doubt I could handle my entire family doing that. No way am I putting them on stock Android.
It would be nice if there was some competition but I’m not holding my breath.
Why would you only use a privacy focused ROM and not stock Android, when you use a stock iPhone? Do you think that Apple doesn't collect just as much data on you as Android does? It's literally in the Apple terms of service. They've just conned you into believing their marketing BS.
Did you not read my post? I use Apple because it makes managing my family fleet easier. If I were by myself I would use a privacy focused ROM.
I’ve got users to manage, and Apple’s locked down approach makes it significantly easier. Everyone gets updates the same day, and phones are supported for years, not months. Backups are stupid easy if someone needs a replacement. iCloud is forgettable, which is ideal for the children and grandparents I manage.
Apple is collecting data on me, but selling data isn’t their primary business. The same cannot be said for Google, which is one of the reasons I’m not putting my family on stock Google. Apple is the lesser evil.
Ok, so you were saying you prefer a privacy focused OS but settle for iOS because it's simpler. Fair point.
As far as data collection goes, Google isn't selling it either. Apple and Google are both collecting your data to assign you to certain demographics. They then sell ad space, and the people that purchase those ads can select the demographic they want it to go to. It's not ideal, but it's certainly better than them selling your actual personal data to third parties.
In the past, I've always made a conscious choice not to try to do it that way on Android. Getting a new phone is a good chance to reset, only install apps that I specifically still use, etc.
But in the past, I've always replaced a phone because the old one was so old the battery couldn't get through even one day, so I had plenty of time to manually back up and take care of any specific data I really needed to be sure about. Recently, I had to get a new phone prematurely after I crashed and landed directly on the old one. So I did use the Pixel's restore functionality as I upgraded from the broken Pixel 6 Pro to the new Pixel 7a. And it was completely seamless. Kept me logged in to apps that I never thought would stay logged in, remembered wifi passwords, everything.
Of course, all of that was only possible because I casted my screen to my TV and plugged in a mouse and keyboard. The screen was too broken to approve the transfer otherwise.
Actually, there's something exactly like that on Android too. Just like on iOS, you also don't have the choice to back that up to where you want tho. You have to use Google Drive if you're not using a custom ROM like LineageOS.
Does android offer free storage for cloud backups?
Drive is 15 GB
Can't iPhone users use Drive?
Yes. Although it is limited in what you can back up afaik
Wait, really? I haven’t checked that in a couple years but my Home Assistant backups are broken because out of Google drive space and it shouldn’t use anywhere near that amount - Damn, now I’m going to have to actually check it out
Edit: it was full of random crap. Good news it was trivial to clear space but now i have to figure out why some of that was there and whether is have copies
Ahh, a fellow HA user spotted in the wild!
So marginally better, thought so
3x as much is "marginally better." What world do you Apple zealots live in?
15gb ain’t much either, and drive works on iOS to boot. So I guess earth?
Edit: Google Drive free tier: 15gb Google Drive 100gb: $2/month iCloud free tier: 5gb iCloud 50gb: $1/month
Wow, what a radical difference in offerings. I am definitely just like a battered woman
The problem stated in the lawsuit is that you can’t use alternative backup providers on iOS, while you (presumably?) can on Android. Apple has no real competition in the device backup space, as they prevent third-parties from providing an equivalent service. (Notice the word equivalent - iTunes backups don’t count.) It’s a perfectly reasonable complaint IMO.
I say this as someone who prefers iCloud for its encryption features.
That’s reasonable. I think iOS/iPadOS overall are in dire need of being more open. iPad especially since they’re at the point where they could largely replace laptops but are hamstrung by being so locked down. I still think it’s obnoxious to compare people with different opinions to domestic abuse victims
It's three times more lmao
As far as I know, Android also doesn't give you the option to back up system and app data to something else than Google Drive. LineageOS gives you that option but they implemented that themselves.
What abuse?
That’s a pretty sick analogy. It’s crazy the levels you guys take these Apple feuds to.