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Came here with similar response. Ill join you in the downvotes.
Democracynow.org is horrific for half stories and bias. I went through Al Jazeera and a few points.
Israel did open fire on the civilians. Their response and reasoning is that the trucks were being swarmed and the drivers who did kill some by being run over were Hamas drivers. People were likely killed in stampead prior to opening fire, and in the ensuring panic afterwards.
Hamas is claiming they were deliberate shots at chest level.
the fog of war in this conflict is horrible, and its exponentially worse because of propaganda, poor reporting and uneducated masses having a voice.
...so the guys driving the fucking aid trucks were Hamas? And Hamas was purposefully using the aid trucks to run over its own people? So Israel started firing at the drivers of the aid trucks but miraculously missed every shot, and them gunning down dozens of civilians was an oopsie?
You believe that? Cuz that's really fucking stupid.
You know why there was a mob of people? Because there is no food in Gaza. At all. People are subsisting on grains used for animal food, anything with calories. People are desperate when they are starving to death. And Israel, the fucking monsters, engineered this situation by only letting a couple trucks here and there trickle in while hundreds of aid trucks wait at the border, unallowed to enter.
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Not quite - you are also confusing what one side said the other was.
The very early days, brief timeline
aid trucks went in. Israel says drivers were Hamas.
aid trucks were swarmed, people killed in the crush.
Israel opened fire to protect trucks, Hamas claimed shots fired deliberately at chest level.
people killed in panic stampede, people run over by panicked truck drivers, I haven't seen any comments that people were killed by gunfire (haven't seen, not saying it didn't happen.
i will also ignore any references from MEE or Democracynow, along with any blatantly supporting Israel or Gaza without balance.
Can you point us to a source for "Israel says drivers were Hamas"?
(As they were escorting the convoy, it seems unlikely to me that they were allowing the trucks to be driven by the armed wing of Hamas. Perhaps the unarmed administrative part or Egyptians sounds much more realistic)
I cant find the direct link - it was the breaking news link in Al Jazeera around 6 hours ago that has now been changed as news develops. I also suspect that statement has since been recanted as none of their new stories mention it, nor does the improvethenews.org story.
I doubt Israel was escorting it, but with Hamas stealing aid supplies for the war effort I also wouldn't be surprised (opinion only, don't take that as fact). I also doubt that Hamas armed forces were driving, but Hamas is also the Palestine government so could be technically correct if they were government workers???
Times of Israel article has them as 'private contractors', Egyptian drivers seem the most logical
I can't see where Al Jazeera came up with that claim then
It may sound like I'm supporting Israel in this thread, but I'm supporting balanced arguements and anti propaganda. I would trust Times of Israel to be as biased as MEE or Democracynow (that is incredibly biased and half the story).
Sure, they're a sockpuppet for Israel. But still, their claim sounds a lot more plausible than AJ suggesting 'Hamas' was driving
If you say anything other than what the hivemind is saying- you’re always going to be accused of being “anti-something.”
I once tried telling people that Biden is not physically committing genocide anywhere and that Israel isn’t enabled entirely as a result of Biden and would be doing it with or without his involvement- and was harassed for hours over it.
They seriously think that Biden is the mastermind of the whole operation.
Doubt is the origin of wisdom.
You’re a rare breed man. Thanks for staying true to the facts, regardless of the results of them. Non-bias is impossible to find nowadays.
It all just horrible, any which way you slice it. Gut wrenching.
I don’t doubt for a second the IDF have a shitload to answer for, but the propaganda machine is polarising people into a flat rejection of measured discourse, as usual.
You should try the Olympics. Those mental gymnastics are crazy.
Im curious what you thought I was justifying with my mental gymnastics.
I have no doubt that individuals from both sides have committed war crime/crimes against humanity, and those members should swing.
I don't understand how you manage to bring both sides whenever israel does something. I read the article and I'm quite confused about your statement. People do not need to understand what is a war crime or a genocide. When they see something bad, they react to it. Get used to it. You were complaining about the masses having a voice in an earlier comment, idk what to say. The problem is not "certain individuals" doing bad things but systematic oppression happening for 75 years. You can also call it apartheid. It won't be solved by "swinging" some people.
Edit: After looking at your comment history it's clear you have an obsession with hanging people on "public ropes" and that you also think it's legal to carpet bomb civilians. I guess all those smart words you use are only to hide yourself. This is the end of my conversation.
Why are you acting like you understand it? How do I link comments in lemmy. You were justifying carpet bombing with "legality" and then ended the sentence with 'both sides should swing ropes' to balance it out. What a troll.
Lmao this guy is a known troll. I saw your comment in the "china speaks against israel" post lol. https://lemm.ee/comment/9520119
If you getting downvoted so much, maybe take a step back and re evaluate your takes https://lemm.ee/comment/9265091 but if you qant botted updoots go to reddit.
From a browser there's a link icon (two interlocking shackles) that creates a link. From mobile, I use an app so I have to open the post through my browser first
I don't think I ever posted what you said though, but please prove me wrong
I didn't find it. Your comments are filled with downvotes so it's hard to find the specific one but here are some to prove that you are an israeli zionist troll, most probably part of IDF propaganda.
https://lemm.ee/comment/5583079 https://lemm.ee/comment/5467524 https://lemm.ee/comment/5268781 https://lemm.ee/comment/9098956 https://lemm.ee/comment/5875832
You openly say UN definition of genocide is erong and made up your own one and talking about people understanding it. By your definition, nazis didn't commit a genocide either cause if they did there wouldn't be israel or any jews. Re-evaluate yout takes and stop acting like you are intellectually superior.
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tldr: lemming went through my entire post history but could not back up his clear accussations
BoTh SiDeS give me a fucking break
It’s impossible to argue with manufactured outrage. They already ate and digested the rhetoric and nothing will change their minds.
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What I'm reading Israel is saying:
They did not fire on the civilians (around the trucks)
Their tanks fired warning shots to disperse the crowd (implying aimed away from the civilians)
Nothing about the drivers being Hamas (as in: if they were escorted there, I don't think they would consider the drivers a threat, as that's what's being suggested by this wording)
A nearby incident (how near? Probably very near) where civilians came towards their checkpoint, didn't stop after warning shots, and then they started shooting to kill
Do you have a link to the article you read? I went through the Al Jazeera one and it didn't mention this.
It's at the start of this comment thread we're both replying to