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What's America's view on this Tucker Carlson?

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[–] [email protected] 214 points 9 months ago (6 children)

"Sooner or later this will end in agreement," was Putin's message, arguing that Nato was coming to realise that defeating Russia on the battlefield would be impossible.

Does Putin realize that NATO is effectively fighting Russia with both arms tied behind it's back right now? We're funding Ukraine (who are doing a phenomenal job, fwiw), but we're not even giving them the top of the line hardware. If the US actually got involved, Russia would pretty much instantly lose any glimmer of air superiority they have, and Ukraine could advance all the way to Moscow under NATO air cover. Like, the only reason Russia still exists is because NATO hasn't even tried to fight Russia on the battlefield yet.

[–] [email protected] 176 points 9 months ago (2 children)

NATO isn't even fighting. NATO gave Ukraine their old boxing gloves and some advice.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

And we're learning that a teenager with a drone can be hilariously effective against modern weapons.

So is Russia. Except Russia is learning how to combat the kids with drones too. They're gaining invaluable battlefield experience that NATO troops simply aren't.

Reports vary from side to side, from showing that Russians are curb stomping Ukraine to Ukraine is holding it's own. So, sure, NATO tossing the kid gloves to Ukraine and putting up a fight is comforting, but it isn't the whole picture. Russia wins a war of attrition. NATO is made up of democracies and war fatigue sets in fast when it's someone else's war. Russia is a de facto fascist dictatorship with deep oil pockets. The only thing that turns their troops around is the head of state dying, or a massive coup. Reports of ether being imminent seem to be rather premature.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago

War attrition sets in much slower when you're not at war.

Yes, my government is sending some old equipment and dedicating 10% of the military budget (which is like 2% of the total spending) to help Ukraine.

That is much less shocking than "Dave from school came back without a leg, and my cousin John didn't come back at all".

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

They're gaining invaluable battlefield experience that NATO troops simply aren't.

Oh, yes they are. Ukraine is in close contact with NATO countries and sharing intel. NATO countries are also buying drones in bulk right now. And developing ones that Russia will not see until they try to pick a fight with NATO.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

How do you feel about Russia's deep oil pockets now that Ukraine is going after their refineries and porta? Do you think Russia can continue to advance or hold ground while also defending large swaths of the western part of Russia? Genuinely curious

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

NATO is Doc and Ukraine is Little Mac. Vodka Drunkinski doesn't stand a chance.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 9 months ago (2 children)

My guess is is does, but he wants the US to lose interest and move on so coloring this as an exercise in futility helps further that goal.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago

And it's great propaganda! Unless you are a smart Russian and realize he'll sacrifice as many Russian citizens as necessary to keep up the hoax.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago

Propaganda works. Period.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Does Putin realize it? Yes.

Does Putin want the people who watch Tucker to realize it? No.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah right, NATO commands far more nuclear warheads than Russia! They'd definitely loose in a thermonuclear exchange!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

If the nuke comes out, it won't make an ounce of a difference who has more of them: if only each side can manage to land a small handful, everyone is equally and utterly fucked.

This principle alone is why NATO has not engaged Russia more directly.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah but they'd loose too! :D

I wonder if people forgot, or maybe gen Z and millenials never really know how bad nuclear weapons are. Even a regional nuclear exchange would probably lead to a nuclear winter and then a nuclear summer, completely fucking the climate. As long as we have them, it's inevitable that we'll eventually use them. Just the law of large numbers / Murphey's law. The wars climate change will cause will make that even more likely. But hey, lets keep playing stupid games.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

At the same time, the world can't just roll over and let every tin pot dictator do whatever they want just because they have a nuke.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Yeah, why take Russia seriously at all? :D