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This is not a "gotcha! checkmate idiots!" post, I'm genuinely curious what you think about this. This is the forum for asking questions right?

I have very niche interests. I like specifically shaped plushies of a specific franchise called fumos. I like data hoarding so I like being able to buy a 16TB hard drive and just dump whatever the fuck I find on the internet on it. I like commissioning gay furry porn. I can think of many other niche things. A specific brand of cheese I like, a specific brand of shoes that don't hurt my feet, specific kinds of fashion I like to wear, etc etc etc.

I like being able to do these things despite them not really appealing to a huge majority mass of people. And I understand why I can do that in capitalism: because it's a market everyone can sell stuff in and people (theoretically) chose what to buy, instead of it being chose for them. Thus, it's viable and sometimes even optimal to find a niche to appeal to rather than to make something general and for everyone. That's why it's profitable to make fumos.

Under a planned economy, how exactly can this work, though? An overseeing body will care about an overarching goal, and therefore things that are not useful to achieve that goal will be pushed back or completely discarded. Put yourself in the lens of some top-of-the-hierarchy bureaucrat: why bother making something like fumos? It's a luxury no one truly needs. It's a waste of resources that produces no tangible benefit. Why bother with 16tb hard drives for personal computers? Most people don't need more than 1tb or 2tb. Better to just give those to state companies that need them for servers and such. Giving them to data hoarders is again, a waste of resources that produces no tangible benefit. You can just save (what you deem) important things in a central archive.

I know I am talking purely about luxuries, but these things can be severe too. Why bother finding treatments for illneses that affect only very small percentages of the population? Why bother with clothes that can fit specific body shapes that are not found in the vast majority of people without hurting them? Why make game controllers shaped for the minute proportion of people that don't have five fingers?

Actually why make games in the first place, even? Wouldn't it be counter productive? That shit can lead to addiction and workers slacking off, meaning less productivity. From the point of view of The Administration it's only a waste of time. It furthers the goal more if there's no games. Why fund them?

I understand this kind of thing sort of happened in the USSR, there being very few brands of things to pick from, all the economy being spent on the army instead of things that made people happy, etc. I'm no historian so I'm not going to dwell on it specifically too much though.

I don't want to live in a world where everything is only made if it fits The One General Purpose. I guess the reply to this would be "fine, some things can be independent", but what is allowed to be independent and what isn't? How is that decided? How can we be sure it's enough?

For the record, I don't think niche things can only exist with a profit incentive. But I do think they can't exist without an incentive at all. If the body that controls all the funding and resources has no incentive, even if people out of the kindness and passion in their hearts want to do these things, if the government says "no, that's useless", there's nothing they can do.

I also don't think the solution to this can be "well just make sure The Administrators do allow these things", systematically they have an incentive to never do it, and a system that depends on a dice roll for nice people over and over and over is not a system I'd ever trust

Anyway thanks for reading. I mean no ill harm this is an actual question. o/

[pictured: a fumo]

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[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Also - the Soviets semi-famously said "why the fuck is champagne expensive? There's nothing special about it, it's just carbonated white line" and went on to make what I understand was a good quality champagne that normal people could afford. I think a couple of former Soviet states still make it. A lot of luxuries are luxuries bc of farts - forced artificial scarcity, and not because the thing itself is necessarily rare or valuable. Gems can be made cheaply in factory labs, someone figured out how to harvest caviar without killing the sturgeon recently, things like that.

And there'd likely be major changes in what people perceive as desirable. We all know that demand is induced by marketing propaganda and isn't necessarily organic. A culture that isn't constantly trying to tell you you're ugly, sick, etc isn't going to have the same destructive consumer culture.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"why the fuck is champagne expensive? There's nothing special about it, it's just carbonated white line"

based, modern Western "gastronomy" is just the illusion of diversity for European cuisine through the use of a gazillion native names like "kielbasa" that literally just mean stuff like "sausage" (but simultaneously never applying native names anywhere outside of Europe)

Also most of these items have literally no consistency whatsoever by their claimed manufacturers, at least in general (idk about EU PDO products)

Even certain apple cultivars have zero flavor consistency

Also, daily reminder that even the best wine snobs can't differentiate that crap after a certain point (confirmed by study). Probably because bitter tanninic grape alcohol has such an overwhelmingly strong flavor that it's difficult to pick up on anything else