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[–] [email protected] 47 points 10 months ago (8 children)

So when Trump tries to overthrow the largest government of the free world it takes 4 years for his trial to start, but when Biden backs his military allies it takes less than a month?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Let's not compare apples to oranges.

Biden isn't less deserving of scrutiny because he is the better president. He is backing a genocide, that should be put to him.

Will anything happen? No, because America doesn't have justice left in stock.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

US diplomatic efforts have been consistently pressuring Israel to restrain their actions. What people don't get, and what makes that statement seem insane to you, is that our ability to influence Israel is entirely dependent on our public support and, even so, is severely limited.

Let's say we go hard against Israel, cut off their access to US weapons manufacturing, and cut off their aid. Suddenly one of the three great regional powers in the Middle East is up for grabs and Russia eagerly steps into the void. Now Russia has two of the three in their orbit, the other being Iran. Iran happens to be the best regional ally of the Palestinians, but Russia will put an immediate end to that. Now the situation for the Palestinians is even worse, unless you think the US is going to threaten military intervention against Israel.

Biden has said some braindead shit on the topic, like taking this moment to call himself a Zionist, but the actions his administration have actually taken have been the best available in a very bad situation. The current government of Israel is basically their version of MAGA. They are going to do what they are going to do, and there is nothing we can do to stop it, short of putting boots on the ground ourselves. (Even if we wanted to, we are historically shit at these kinds of actions.). The best we can do is advise restraint and try to keep the conflict from becoming regional. We did manage to keep Israel from doing a major strike on Lebanon that could easily have sparked a much broader conflict.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

America let itself get to this point, putting your hands up complaining that you don't have many options isn't acceptable when you publicly defend and prop up a genocidal regime.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No fucking kidding, but I wasn't complaining. You clearly think virtue signaling about how much you care about the Palestinians is more important than being the adult in the room and actually doing what's in their best interests and the interests of a region that could very easily fall into a much bigger conflict.

Biden is POTUS, not a social media talking head. If he were to verbally condemn Israel, it would make the situation worse, not better. As Israel's friend, we have a seat at the table and a chance to influence things. As Israel's critic, we are left with terrible to no options. I'm glad we don't have a president who craves social media likes over all else.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Your influence isn't doing shit, typical American shite pompous bullshit leader of the free world but shies away from the difficult conversation because even if you recognize it is the right thing you don't want to the consequences.

America put all these pieces on the board and is now acting like they can't do anything but give stern commentary.

I don't crave social media likes, I'd love to see less dead children even if it means POTUS has to answer some tough questions. Where does the buck stop again?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Your influence isn't doing shit,

The fact that Israel and Lebanon aren't at war right now says you are wrong.

American shite pompous bullshit leader of the free world but shies away from the difficult conversation

It's been widely reported that Biden and netanyahu have had the difficult conversations, but maybe you are talking to me. I'm certainly trying, but you sure do make it difficult.

America put all these pieces on the board

LOL. These pieces were on the board long before America even existed as a country. Even so, this isn't a "America bad" conversation, we are discussing the Biden administration's handling of the current crisis. I give America a large part of the blame too BTW, I just don't need to signal it in every conversation.

I'd love to see less dead children even if it means POTUS has to answer some tough questions.

What questions? All I see from you are rants. I'm all for tough questions, and I'm hardly a fan of Biden.

Where does the buck stop again?

Which buck? If we are talking about the genocide, then I'd send the bill to the government perpetrating it and Hamas. Hamas's attack on Israel was intended to provoke exactly the response it's getting from the far right wing government that Israel elected. Even now, Hamas is continuing to provoke Israel to ensure that it keeps happening. Israel isn't going to back off, and Hamas will continue using their response to drive recruitment. Is the US supposed to talk them out of it, or are we supposed to put boots on the ground to stop it? Either one would have about the same level of success.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The US justice system goes soft on fascism. Always has, from operation paperclip to across the board leinency for j6 convictions. Hope this clears things up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

While I agree with the rest of your comment, and Comey waiting until after the election to let certain things be known is fucked, but this isn't any federal organization in the US, this is basically a memo from a bunch of legal and civil groups worldwide saying 'we think Biden is enabling genocide' or at least didn't prevent it. Aside from that...

Operation paperclip wasn't a 'lets go get some of the hardest hardcore Nazis we can because Nazis, fuck yeah!', it was because they were some of the best minds in engineering, science, and technology. This was right after the US had shown the world the bomb. So they had focused their energy on making a megaweapon, and next was likely seeing what else they could achieve with the knowledge gained from it, with new minds. Propulsion, time travel, advanced small weaponry, gravity manipulation, It's not often you get to go steal over a thousand of the best minds from a very intelligent now-former superpower. I'm sure it was a free-for-all of ideas with them being mostly not workable, and many came to fruition and were used to advance other technologies, and some we're keeping secret for when we really need them. I don't speak on this with authority, only common sense.

There were over 1,600 people taken in OP paperclip. Many, but not all, were former members and some former leaders of the Nazi party.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

largest government of the free world

By what measure? I would contest both the largest government and sadly the free world bits nowadays as well.

Trump took four years because the US prosecutor took four years. The court is the same, the prosecutor could have filed earlier, but "the case needed to be airtight". This takes less than a month because these people just went in and did the thing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you know any history involving US activity across the planet, you'd know that being a genocide embracing war criminal comes with being a US president, it's part of the job.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

yep. Former presidents don't travel internationally much, they stick to Canada, Mexico, England.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

People sued Trump really quick too. This is civil not criminal.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I’d wager the ongoing thousands of violent deaths might have something to do with the difference in urgency here.