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Germany Rejects UN 'Genocide' Charge Against Israel
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Germany knows a thing or two about genocide so it's surprising they're not seeing it in Gaza.
Germany is so ashamed of its history that no Israel atrocity can change that.
They're not ashamed. Germans still hate Jews. The initial plan Hitler had was to move all the Jews to Madagascar.
The Zionist thing is an easy excuse to make the Palestinians responsible for German crimes. Germany doesn't want israelis moving back.
The second reason Germany is simping this hard is that Germany wants Intel, which is an israeli company, to build more chip factories there. Thus they have to bow their heads to Zionists. Buy AMD kids.
Intel was founded by Americans in America and is, to this day, american.
Lmao sure. Keep dreaming. Intel is a Zionist entity.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/intel-build-25-bln-factory-largest-foreign-investment-israel-netanyahu-2023-06-18/
Of Intels CEO Pat Gelsinger
Fuck.
Might be a good idea to buy AMD guys.
Of course it makes zero sense to buy Intel now.
Not because they invest heavily in Israel but because AMD chips are, as of today, better than intel ones.
Also, AMD has R&D center in Tel Aviv, so if someone truly wants to stay away from tech which has anything to do with Israel, I am afraid you won't have a lot of options.
nah, I'm sure Windows on ARM is totally ready for the Masses, right guys?
guys?
Windows is not ready for masses no matter what platform it runs on.
The idea of setting up Israel as a state was so that they could send the Jewish people there because it was thought that they would never be able to integrate into European society, iirc.
This comment is an absolute clusterfuck
Buddy a couple factories out of dozens around the world does not make them Israeli.
Oh, AMD sells kids now?
I hope so. I’m not paying double the price for raytraced kids
There are still a lot of old people in Germany who refuse to say anything negative about Israel.
They can never, ever take a position against Israel.
We can, we should and we must at this point.
Germany takes plenty of positions against Israel. You're confusing us with the US.
I think they are calling them weak. I figured it would be but when you put it in comparison we are almost there but not quite to the same level
Western countries records of respecting human rights are nothing but performative theater. They are part of the same imperialist empire. of which they all benefit from.
Sure are painting a lot of people with the one brush there buddy. I've never invaded anyone.
If you live in a western rich country, than you have definitely benefited directly or indirectly from the imperialist empire, the western coalition has invaded many countries, ousted many governments, installed puppets governments everywhere there interests are at stake, and are keeping the weak developping countries in marching orders, if anyone of them would dare misalign they threaten them with bringing "democracy and freedom" ..
Are all the citizens responsible for all the actions of their governments?
Well if you claim that democracies embody the will of the people, than all the citizens bare responsibility of their governments, except those who actively oppose such policies with political action but are outnumber by the majority.
My country did none of that so fuck off with your all as bad as each other shite. My history is clean and if I benefit from speaking English or whatever you're going to say I'd consider it a silver lining and not a benefit of imperialism.
It's exactly because they know a thing or two they're not willing to throw the term around willy-nilly
What's happening in Gaza right now isn't a genocide. It's awful, they are commiting warcrimes, but not a genocide.
Funnily enough, what's happening in the West Bank has better Chances of being classified as a Genocide. Yet all those "Experts" on the Internet never talk about that. They only see civilian houses blowing up, then they take the worst word they know, "genocide", and call it that.
Do you think Palestinians in Gaza will ever be able to return home, in the near or far future, without being killed under the excuse of "it's an evacuation zone, so they must be Hamas"?
And do you think the "evacuation zone" will ever stop expanding before it encompasses the entirety of Gaza?
Because I'm pretty sure forcefully displacing a people from their home and not allowing them to return qualifies as genocide.
absolutely. Not in the near, but in the Medium-to-Long-Term (5mo+) they will be able to return to the Strip.
Israel is not interested in a prolongued Conflict. I say Nettanyahus Successor will try to mend things with the Gazans once they weakened Hamas enough.
I have a few questions:
Where will they return to with the whole strip flat?
When will the "evacuation zone" stop expanding? Because as far as I'm aware more of the strip is in the zone than out of it.
Do you think a power hungry, violent asshole who has stated he will ignore the world court if he doesn't like what they decide is interested in the wellbeing of anyone but himself and his elite friends?
How is it okay to force the most populous region to move further and further south (which was also physically impossible in the time allocated) where there is nowhere for them to stay in the interim, because there might be Hamas among them?
Is it possible that my opinion about Israel is wrong? No, it must be Germany who is wrong!
Yeah... sure... because Israel has been acting so nicely for decades now
Confirmation bias at its finest.
Indeed they do and they acknowledge their history, and why this doesn't apply:
Seems like they got it right.
They didn't actually present any argument that this isn't a genocide, nor did they even try to address anything the South African delegation have presented. This is state speech for "nuh uh", so the only reason you could see that "they got it right" was if you just liked their conclusion.
The South African government presented evidence, and this German statement does not address it, aside from dismissing it as "political". I have no experience with ICC's laws, but I would suppose that calling the prosecution "political" is not a valid defense in the ICC bylaws.
South Africa you say? Is that the same South Africa that visited Bucha and still had little to nothing to say about genocide?
Not saying anything about genocide in Gaza or not but fuck South Africa for the lack of action when it fits their business ties with Russia.
I agree with their conclusion, yes. When both sides of the conflict that the genocide statutes were written to address say that this is not a genocide, I find that very compelling.
Nazi Germany's extermination camps are not the only genocides in history, nor does either entity have a special say in what a genocide is. Calling modern Germany the "side" of the Nazis is incredibly offensive, nor is Israel the "side" of the Jewish people. There are plenty of Jews around the world who have lost family in the Holocaust who very much do believe the term does apply.
Well they consider themselves to be atoning for it to this day and accept responsibility, as per the quote above. If you've ever been to Germany they don't shy away from the connection or deny that the Nazis were German.
A minority opinion, to be sure.
Citation would be nice on that last one.
Can't find any statistics of "Jews around the world who have lost family in the Holocaust" but only 22% of American Jews agree with that statement as of 2021.
So 22% before Israel blocked supplies and bombed 80% of Gaza into fine rubble. I wonder how that number looks now
If you find a source, please share it
Wow, that number is quite amazing. 22% of American Jews in 2021 thought that the 2023-24 military campaign is a genocide. So at least 22% of American Jews are time travelers!
It's unfortunate then that nazi parties are popular again now in Germany.