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West Bank videos show Israeli troops killing teenager and driving over man’s body
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 11 Jan 2024
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I always see people blaming the American president but not Netinyahu or the Israeli government. It's actually weird. As if he could stop the war unilaterally or like the US aid given to Israel is the only thing allowing it to happen.
I do not support Israel on this but I do find it weird how easy it has been for people to claim it as Biden's fault alone.
I hear what you're saying, Bibi and his cabinet of whack jobs are currently the main perpetrators. However, if for arguments sake, Biden sat down with Bibi on October 8th and outlined very clear red lines for it's military aid, ensuring any action that was to be undertaken by Israel would be discriminate and proportionate, we'd be in a VERY different position right now.
Biden and the US military aid to Israel is not the only thing enabling the genocide in Gaza, but the genocide in Gaza would not have been able to happen without it.
Biden could do more, but that last sentence in your comment sounds far fetched to me. Or are you saying that because we've been aiding Israel all these years, that's made it possible? I think that's a gross oversimplification if so.
I don't think it is. If Biden cancelled all aid to Israel over this, I think we'd see a big shift in Israeli policy. Remember what happened when the US finally dropped their support of apartheid SA?
It would be a big shift in global policy and would be grossly negligent for any US president.
This view represents a serious misunderstanding of America's and indeed the western strategy in the Middle East.
Centrist Democrats are getting the genocide they have always wanted.
The Standard Centrist Gaslighting, the "this is too complex for your feeble progressive mind to comprehend" bullshit, is what centrist Democrats employ whenever they don't want scrutiny of their positions.
0.004% of the population dead with daily casualties trending downward is a genocide?
How many people would die in a war between Israel and Iran?
even if you weren't making up those numbers, yes, it's still a genocide. they're being systematically killed.
How large a percentage will it take to satiate you?
Know what? I don't trust your numbers. I want a source. Show me a reliable source that says that Israel has only killed 0.004% of the population of Gaza.
Pretty widely reported. If you're not familiar with where that figure comes from or how it's calculated you really don't know enough about what's happening there on the ground to have an opinion about what's happening on the ground.
Satiate? That's a weird choice of word. I'm looking at the evidence and trying to evaluate it rationally. What are you doing?
Right. You made it up and are gaslighting me.
You made the claim. Back it up.
Relationships are unique and I don't think there are many people alive who fully understand the consequences of that move. It likely wouldn't be just a "oh well I guess we call off the war" situation in any case.
If anyone understands it, it's the South African leaders who just presented their genocide case in front of the ICJ. History will remember them.
Has history remembered Tomas Sankara, Kwame Nkrumah and other african leaders who fought for deconlonization? It hasn't because they got on the US' bad side. Heck, if you go to any subreddit and look for what people think of what South Africa is doing, you will see nothing but "We should bring appartheid back to teach them a lesson" among other really bad comments