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Traffic on the single bridge that links Russia to Moscow-annexed Crimea and serves as a key supply route for the Kremlin’s forces in the war with Ukraine came to a standstill on Monday after one of its sections was blown up, killing a couple and wounding their daughter.

The RBC Ukraine news agency reported that explosions were heard on the bridge, with Russian military bloggers reporting two strikes.

RBC Ukraine and another Ukrainian news outlet Ukrainska Pravda said the attack was planned jointly by the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) and the Ukrainian navy, and involved sea drones.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The flashpoint that started the separatism was the repeal of the language laws that made Russian (and many others) one of the many state languages in these regions (majority russian ethnicity regions).

What you're citing there is a question to the Commission, not a research paper. The guy posing that question? A Greek Nazi, becoming MEP on a Golden Dawn ticket. Here's the answer:

The Commission is not aware of any ban on use of minority languages in Ukraine. In February 2014, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine adopted a law, revoking the language policy law of 2012, which has however been effectively vetoed by the then Acting President Oleksandr Turchynov, and therefore has not entered into force.

The law adopted in 2012, giving the local and regional authorities the right to determine regional languages in addition to Ukrainian for contacts with public bodies, has been largely positively assessed by the Venice Commission of the Council of Europe in its opinion. At the same time, the opinion noted: ‘the question remains whether, having regard to the specific situation in Ukraine, there are sufficient guarantees, in the current Draft Law, for the consolidation of the Ukrainian language as the sole State language, and of the role it has to play in the Ukrainian multilinguistic society.’

Yes, the Ukrainian government has been actively trying to make Ukrainian the de facto, not just de jure, lingua franca of Ukraine, to halt secondary effects of Russification.


I'm not even going to address anything else you said. A Tankie relying on hallucinations of a Nazi to make points, how fucking classic.

Learn some research skills and source criticism and then maybe you'll be able to contribute to discussions.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What you’re citing there is a question to the Commission, not a research paper. The guy posing that question? A Greek Nazi, becoming MEP on a Golden Dawn ticket. Here’s the answer:

Yeah this was just pointed out to me. Which is why I went and dug out some other stuff instead, I'm not particularly fond of relying on that one and won't be using it in future.

A couple of western media articles discussing the split the existing language law was causing in the country:

2000: Ukraine wages war on Russian language

2012: Russian language debate splits Ukraine

2012: Ukrainians(far right) protest against Russian language law

2014(when the law actually occurred): Ukraine Revokes Linguistic Rights

This last one is the most interesting, also 2014 from Time: Many Ukrainians Want Russia To Invade

Within two days of taking power, the revolutionary leaders passed a bill revoking the rights of Ukraine’s regions to make Russian an official language alongside Ukrainian. That outraged the Russian-speaking half of the country, and the ban was quickly lifted. But the damage was done. With that one ill-considered piece of legislation, the new leaders had convinced millions of ethnic Russians that a wave of repression awaited them. So it was no surprise on Friday when a livid mob in Crimea attacked a liberal lawmaker who came to reason with them. Struggling to make his case over the screaming throng, Petro Poroshenko was chased back to his car amid cries of “fascist!”

Is this article a hallucination too? This aggressive response is quite unnecessary. Have a more academic conversation.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah this was just pointed out to me.

By me I just couldn't let it stand so I called it out twice, but there's no need to duplicate the whole thread.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Oh lol we're having the same conversation twice? I didn't even notice I often don't look at usernames. Sorry.