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They don’t care who you blame.
They also know that the blame will come with any loss, no matter how they vote.
The funny thing is that close to 2/3rds (more on many issues) of Americans actually support the policies that are on the far left (of American politics).
But because we have all been watching corporate media that is literally lying to us, we have been lead to believe that we don’t actually believe what we actually believe.
When you starting breaking down the policies and explain them in simple details, (should we all have healthcare), america is far left when it comes to policies we ALL support.
But ask a Republican if they like “Obamacare” and you will get a completely different answer. This is assuming we are not discussing policy minutiae within Obamacare just Obamacare in general….. and it is pretty much like this across the board….
America is FAR more leftist than the corporate oligarchy would have you believe.
But instead of burning down buildings because of police brutality, low wages, and lack of even the most basic social safety net…..
We are arguing over whether rail workers should get one hour of sick time a year….
It’s fucking ludicrous.
And I know y’all don’t like it…. A vote for a Biden is a vote for more of the same corrupt politics, corporate PACS and corporate donations and the revolving door of senators being bribed for their votes and lining their own pockets.
Y’all are arguing about whether a facist will be our leader, but we already live under a corporate oligarchy…
It's okay, many of them will learn when the fascists turn on empathetic people like them, people like their LGBTQIA+ friends, and an ever more purity-shifting test stupider than a swatch of paint held to their faces.
Because people (maybe some like you?) don't explain nuance and responsibility to them, just throw blame around and make noises about where all of the fault lays (it's never also on your--metaphorical you, I hope--laps is it?) and why this agenda is better and would not lead to this or that.
You don't need to address me if you prefer of course. I don't actually foresee any useful dialogue here so just yelling at two-faced clouds.
Happy new year…. Not avoiding anyone but yea,
These arguments about lesser of two evils, oh it’s not Biden’s fault he couldn’t do anything, oh (the Republican candidate) is going to bring facism.
People are tired of the same tired rhetoric. They don’t care. They aren’t going to just fall in line because you are shouting at them vote blue no matter who.
And a lot of career politicians don’t understand that the old way of doing things isn’t going to work anymore. It’s a slow change and yea hopefully we can claw back democracy from the corporate oligarchy, but I personally don’t have much faith. I probably will not vote for Biden but I do live in a pretty solid blue state in an extremely blue county, so i can leave President option blank without much recourse.
Sounds about right. I expect very little of the far left anarchists and they still somehow disappoint. Have fun torching your own communities after you willingly enable Trump back in power
It's not my fault both Biden and Trump suck. You know what will excite the far left? How about a far left candidate?
They quite literally don't exist in the United States. Fox addled brain rot right wing media consumers are told that someone like Obama was a communist... Hell someone as "progressive" as AOC isn't even radical and yet the right will tell you she's a female Mao.
We get milquetoast centrists masquerading as being on the left, while the right gets to have their actual racist Nazi leaders... No wonder they question why we aren't as hyped for Biden as they are for Mango Mussolini...
Because not many Americans want that? I don’t know how many times it has to be demonstrated. You won’t settle for a moderate candidate like Biden who will slowly push the country away from how unbelievably far right it’s gotten. You want to flip the system upside down and that’s not viable right now. Move the needle slowly but surely, or try to change everything and continue to fail.
Not many Americans want that because we've had decades of propaganda telling us how radical the left is already and scaring everyone to move to the right. That's why the right has gone so far right and we get pulled to the middle more and more so we can calm the scared people of spooky spooky socialist policies... If we continue we're literally never going to have actual leftists in government. As it is the entire world sees our political system as 2 conservative parties fighting for control.
And I totally agree with you but I don’t think the Democrat Party is all conservatives. Some are, for sure. But not all of them are Brandon Presley and Joe Manchin. It’s a liberal party, which aligns with the conservatives on several things but vastly differs on much more.
Liberalism in America has been hijacked by white collar criminals ever since Reagan fucked the country up. I agree that we need more socialism in America, but I don’t see how we’re gonna leap directly to it. What we can do is form a coalition to continue defeating the conservatives so we at least aren’t on track for extinction because of climate change. And before you say “Biden’s America is producing more domestic oil than any administration before” I would remind that if he didn’t, he would absolutely lose the upcoming election. When half the country is as conservative as it is, we’re not gonna see the change we want by electing a President who will have limited support in Congress. Getting people like Biden who at least pull the needle closer towards the middle is how it happens.
And then, maybe after a decade or so more Americans will realize they’ve been lied to by Gingrich, Trump, Rove, Bush, McConnell, and all the others who have set this country so far back.
Just my opinion. I don’t know if America can get to where you want it to be in our lifetime after 4 more years of Trump.
I pretty much agree with all of that minus the optimism lol
If Republicans haven't learned over the past 30+ years that they've been lied to again and again I don't see it happening any time soon as we have propaganda outlets designed to "keep the voters in line." They're really our biggest problem, everything we can't solve is because propagandists pit us against each other and mislead everyone.
My optimism comes from the fact that old people don’t live forever, and they’re reeeally against traditional medicine all of a sudden so I don’t see the boomers propping up right wing psychos forever
Biden isn't pushing the country away from being far-right, he just isn't nose-diving into it. The US needs radical change. Everything you've said is just buzzword nonsense.
I don't give a fuck about the average crayon eating over-medicated american retard. Half the country thinks climate change is a joke and Raptor Jesus will save us.
Who, Gives, A, Fuck?
Alright well unfortunately those people vote, so we can say we don’t care, but we can’t say that reality doesn’t affect the current situation we’re in politically. You can absolutely change their minds. So why not start with people like Andy Beshear who has already started doing this instead of someone who is too extreme for them and will only alienate more people?