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Apps and websites that use artificial intelligence to undress women in photos are soaring in popularity, according to researchers.

In September alone, 24 million people visited undressing websites, according to the social network analysis company Graphika.

Many of these undressing, or “nudify,” services use popular social networks for marketing, according to Graphika. For instance, since the beginning of this year, the number of links advertising undressing apps increased more than 2,400% on social media, including on X and Reddit, the researchers said. The services use AI to recreate an image so that the person is nude. Many of the services only work on women.

These apps are part of a worrying trend of non-consensual pornography being developed and distributed because of advances in artificial intelligence — a type of fabricated media known as deepfake pornography. Its proliferation runs into serious legal and ethical hurdles, as the images are often taken from social media and distributed without the consent, control or knowledge of the subject.

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 11 months ago (5 children)

This is going to be such a culture shift. Kids today are going to grow up in a world where anyone can make any image or video of any person at any time. I have no idea how this will impact sexual health and development or if really it will even be a bad thing. It could lead to more openness and freedom, kind of like growing up with the Internet did. It could also have some really harmful unexpected consequences...kinda like how growing up with the Internet did...

[–] [email protected] 58 points 11 months ago (4 children)

It's teaching kids to keep all of their photos private, like we always should have done from the beginning. Your face, your likeness, your privacy, there are malicious and greedy people out there that want what you have.

Why did we ever start publicly sharing anything?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I feel the same way about biometrics. When I tell friends, family, and coworkers about this, they look at me like I'm crazy. You can change your password. You can't change your retinal pattern, fingerprint, etc.

And I don't care how much someone tries to convince me on how securely it's stored inside the phone hardware or the cloud. You are trusting every single coder and engineer who has a hand in designing and maintaining these things. Not to mention hackers who always find a way to breach.

So far I've avoided using any of mine anywhere.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I've never thought about this before. One thing I'm curious to hear from your perspective is the idea of a single password being irrelevant. I've had my credit card info stolen before and it's never been a concern of not being able to convince my bank it wasn't me, the amount of corroboratating evidence is just overwhelming. In a world where a single point of failure ,such as a biometric, is irrelevant simply because the amount of information to convincingly recreate a person is more trouble than it's worth. Additionally I've never had a biometric be the last line of defense, somewhere along the line a password is always required.

Idk love to hear thoughts on this admittedly am low key drunk so maybe am saying dumb stuff

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I have to agree with you. My biggest concern is not if they have my fingerprint because there isn't really much they can do with it. What I am concerned about is how much data they gather (and not just about be, for the same reason, but from groups) and what they can do with it to alter my world view.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

I agree but I personally just assume every techgiant knows everything about me and not to trust anything I see through a screen without vetting it. I'm younger than Google so it's possible they knew about me before I was even born, whats the point in trying to hide myself from an entity that doesn't care about me but already knows more about me than everyone in my life possibly excluding myself.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Can malicious people who steal you retinal and fingerprint duplicate it to unlock whatever it was protecting?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

I think it's only a matter of time, if it hasn't happened already. When you scan your bio-metric data (fingerprint or whatever) it gets stored somewhere as a pattern of numbers. A clever and talented bad actor could, in theory, recreate or spoof that pattern of numbers in a variety of different ways. Hackers are very good at finding exploits that application coders never thought of. We have all sorts of virtual devices that emulate physical devices. It stands to reason that "virtual fingerprints" could easily be a thing.

Also, bio-metrics are "super easy and convenient" which has a tendency to make people get a little too apathetic / casual about security. And by people I mean everyone involved from the user up through all the layers of engineers and testers to the C-suite.

It's an over-arching problem with security in general. Good security is both inconvenient and expensive. People want profits and convenience.

I'm going to hold off on using my bio-metrics for as long as I can. Though I can imagine a future where that is no longer possible, unfortunately

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I think even that is ultimately a lost cause. There are cameras everywhere and there's getting to be more. Facebook is trying to get us all used to having cameras right on our face at all times. Even if you could completely block your face from every camera, how long until the AI equivalent of a police sketch artist just remakes your face from someone's description?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

The difference is the source. If someone pulls a screen grab of you from a Target security camera and uses AI to make porn, the employee has a problem because Target has a problem. If you take photos of yourself at the beach and share them via Facebook, then anyone anywhere can end up with that photo and use it for almost anything with no problem because you took it and shared it publicly.

Hopefully this gets people to realize how much they are giving up by sharing via Facebook, and Instagram, and Xitter, and TicTac or whatever. If you want to be social media famous, be famous. But fame comes at a price.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I could easily imagine a simple brain/computer interface - not even requiring an implant, just one of those helmet or headband things - where you are looking at a screen while thinking about a person that you remember. The AI starts tweaking the image on the screen and monitoring how closely your brain is registering a "match" to the image you're thinking of, until eventually it's spot on.

Won't guarantee that you remembered perfectly, of course. But no camera required for something like this.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm gonna be straight with you, I don't even want to click that link.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

It's a BBC News story :)

[–] [email protected] -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is such a weird mentality and so bizarre that it's common within a certain set of people. You're going to hide in a darkened room refusing to interact with the world and not sharing anything because you're scared someone will make an image of you?

Oh gosh a greedy person stole my likeness because they wanted what I have! What ever will I do?!?!

Your likeness isn't special or magical, it's not going to grant people special psychic power over you or allow someone else to claim your rewards in the afterlife, it's just a picture in a sea of a billion pictures - so what?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Hide? No, share your photos with people you know and care about.

We're in a thread talking about photos being taken from public postings, like Facebook, Instagram, and Xitter, and using those photos with AI to make porn. That's the reason not to share your shit publicly. Nobody has said anything remotely like your likeness is magical or grants psychic power.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They are already doing that shit, back in 2013 it was done with something called bubbling.

https://gizmodo.com/get-anyone-naked-with-the-pic-bubbler-iphone-app-5656093

I remember being in high school and I remember people sharing nude images of each other on those old ass snap a picture cell phones. Or a couple of my cousins going on facebook and rating all the women 1 to 10.

And before people were doing it was computers they were doing it with their imagination.

Same new shit same old story, it's all going to be fine.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

We need to go back to the days of bubble porn and Photoshop. Oooo the humanity

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I would imagine it's likely to empower all kinds of unhealthy and concerning behaviors. People are fucking weird and if you can use AI to create a kind of virtualized sex slave out of the publicly available data on any person you know, that could be a real problem for society.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

I honestly think something like that is going to be as much or more of a harm for the person making/using it. When the world is just flooded with fake images I think we're gonna get jaded by them very quickly and it will be just another form of (really fucked up) cyberbullying.

For the people making them the harm is more insidious. They're likely to be doing it in secret (because weird/immoral sex stuff) and isolating themselves, and we end up in a weird Futurama Lucy Liu-Bot situation with even more social isolation and further declining mental health.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

It's almost like swords that are double edged