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Meat-loving Australia has no appetite for vegetarian diet to help planet, study finds (www.abc.net.au)

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A study shows Australians would rather take other actions to help the environment than give up meat.

Participants cite a lack of vegetarian options when dining out, despite Australia having more than ever, as a barrier to the diet.

Researchers hope the study will highlight reasons behind people's reluctance to reduce meat consumption.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The list of options participants were given:

Eat less meat (50% reduction)
Stop eating meat
Avoid food products imported by plane
Use public transport
Recycle things more
Buy fewer new things
More energy from renewable sources

Some of it is a bit less actionable then "eat less meat", but they're still pretty concrete.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nothing short of totally abolishing the capitalist mode of production can be taken remotely seriously.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't hold my breath

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And that one certainly isn’t serious

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i wonder how quickly capitalism would fall if every liberal who pretended to be against it but tut-tutted the idea of it being overthrown would just shut the fuck up

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whose pretending to be against it? I'm for tighly regulated capitalism, coupled with some public ownership of natural monopolies.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

so you're against capitalism

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Regulated capitalism is still capitalism

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It must be nice and simple to see the whole world in black and white terms. You should definitely try getting to grips with nuance though. It makes things annoyingly complicated and messy, but is ultimately rewarding.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Publicly owned monopolies are antithetical to capitalism by definition but go off

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you are looking at a largely capitalist economy, but with a few natural monopolies - water supply, being one example - being in public ownership.

As an example, the UK is generally considered a capitalist economy, notwithstanding the fact that its largest employer- the NHS - is publicly owned and operated.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

NHS isn’t a monopoly

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That was intended an illustration of how the existence of one or more large state-run organisations does not mean it isn’t a capitalist system. If you prefer something else - the UK has effectively renationalised parts of the rail system

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The willingness seems pretty low on everything but "renewable sources" and recycling which requires the least effort from people.

There being some willingness to reduce meat is nice, but I've heard that line before (people rarely follow through in practice).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I guess there's going to be some interpretation about what a high vs low result really is (like how a 6/10 rated game or movie is "low"). I personally thought the raw results would have been lower based on some of the doomposting elsewhere in the thread.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I have already done all these except #2. And yes - I mean that. I have changed my lifestyle over the past 10-15 years doing these things consciously.