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Man, fuck taking any step in the right direction eh? Let's just hope for the entire world to change instead of hoping for a reasonable change that is a big step in the right direction.
"Can't have anything if it isn't perfect"
I mean capitalism is literally enabling the fossil fuel industry to continue to ramp up production, while we are heading into a climate apocalypse. It's too late for steps.
"We can't have a revolution against capitalism until after we address all the symptoms of capitalism individually!"
No need to strawman; you already made a good point in the first half of your comment.
No I promise whoever says that definitely fits my description of them. It's not a strawman, it just looks like one because you assume I'm pretending to quote somebody I'm not.
Not necessarilly. They could very easilly be a victim of propaganda; they don't have to be a benefactor of capitalism in order to believe in incrementalism (which keeps capitalism as the main economic force).
Neoliberalism drilled deep into American consciousness a while ago.
Temporarily embarassed millionaires aren't your enemy unless they choose to believe AFTER they consciously observe how fucked up the mindset is.
Before that, they could easily just be ignorant. It's not like US schools teach how fucked up and skewed it all is. They just say, "yep, this is how it works, and that's how it works and why is the history of the stock market and yep we have it now!".
They are presented it as if it's not bad, so unless people get burned, they don't think about it. "Well I'm not that bad off and I'm not that special (despite having the embarassed millionairre's mindset) so everyone else must only be whining."
You are feeding the exact same ignorance from the other side. Stop it.
Ah, yes, incremental change and playing within the rules set by our oppressors, that's worked so well ..checks notes... never.
Lulling the population in to a false sense of security, but more importantly - comfort, is exactly how you not only maintain the status quo, but how you enable fascism.
But sure, to those who are privileged enough not to already be personally impacted, I'm sure voting for team blue feels like a real win.. 🙄
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/22/american-democracy-was-never-designed-to-be-democratic-eric-holder-our-unfinished-march-nick-seabrook-one-person-one-vote-jacob-grumbach-laboratories-against-democracy
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/14/liberalism-and-fascism-partners-in-crime/
https://truthout.org/articles/fascism-is-possible-not-in-spite-of-liberal-capitalism-but-because-of-it/
https://nyanarchist.wordpress.com/2019/01/23/scratch-a-liberal-a-fascist-bleeds-how-the-so-called-middle-class-has-enabled-oppression-for-centuries/
Union wins weren't incremential change for the betterment of worker conditions...?
You really should check the dates on all those achievements... They weren't granted from the beginning of even the young US, nor all at once.
It is ironically your gatekeeping of "progress" that holds back the gains you want to see because of your contempt at the only path proven effective. Sad.
Socialism isn't a switch we flip. We cannot magic away the current systems of power. Like it or not, most people are too dumb, self centered, or just plain busy to consciously change the systems they deal with. It CANNOT be done by telling everyone the world has to be radically different.
Does it have to be radically different to be equitable? Yes. Is that one of the next 20 stops on the way to an equitable society? NO! You cannot jump to the peak of a mountain simply because you can see it on a clear day.
Pretending the previous power structure has magically evaporated simply because you've pulled a revolution is EXACTLY how every socialist movement gets turned in to fascism. Stop feeding that ignorant mindset that we do not have to deal with existing power structures and powerful. We ALWAYS have to deal with existing power structures. Completely. Even literally killing off the old to avoid their toxic influence creates a new power structure with capital punishment powers that not everyone will remotely agree with.
Again, your ignorance to how the real world works is alarming. Fix your perspective or continue to hinder progress. The choice is yours.