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    [–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Ubuntu is fine and I actually am on Ubuntu after using Arch for many years

    [–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I use Ubuntu. I think it's funny how Arch users immediately assume they know more about Linux than me because of my distro choice. My hobby is learning about Linux and I can do that perfectly from my Ubuntu machine.

    I've used Arch in the past, and let me tell you, nothing crazy is going on in there.

    Yes, Ubuntu sucks because they are forcing Snaps on people while snaps are slow as hell. Thankfully they haven't fully shoved snaps down our throats. If they don't make snaps faster before shoving them down my throat, I'll just distro hop. Probably to Debian. I love Debian.

    [–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Arch users HAVE to know a lot because their updates break it conatantly

    [–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Honestly I've found it to be surprisingly stable, and the only time the system broke, it was my own fault.

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

    I’ve found it to be surprisingly stable

    It sounds like you have used it extensively then, because the myth is spread by people who never tried.

    [–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Arch user here. I have no idea what I'm doing. Killing Floor just crashed my graphics card or something to crash and my monitors aren't working after reboots. Oh god

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

    Arch users HAVE to know

    They do know this is a popular myth spread around by the antiquities of debian/mint/ubuntu users who wait a few years for Arch users to locate any bugs.

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I went from Ubuntu to Arch and I think I'm here to stay. Ubuntu was unstable for me for some reason. I would get freezes and crashes all the time. I feel like Canonical is making things slower and bloated but I have had pretty smooth experiences with Linux mint. On Arch I've been getting amazing uptime. But to each ones own, if you like it, who am I to judge.

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'm considering leaving Ubuntu. I'm currently looking at Manjaro because I don't think I have enough time to invest in learning arch. Any tips?

    [–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    One of my favorite features of arch is the aur, and because manjaro lags behind arch releases, you can run into trouble. If you want arch without the install difficulties, I would try something like endeaver os or garuda. You'll end up with actual arch in the end and you wont end up with some of outdated certs or whanever manjaro ucks up nowadays.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    While you're absolutely correct, in my personal experience Manjaro has been perfectly stable even with somewhat heavy use of the AUR.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

    Mine too, but I did switch because I needed to reinstall and I would have just swiched out most of the tools that come preinstalled, to the point I didn't know why I would even use manjaro instead of arch if I'm reinstlling everything anyway...

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    People on the internet say to read the wiki and follow the directions but I'm a much more visual learner. If you follow this video, you should be all good if you want to use vanilla Arch. I do not have experience with Manjaro but one of my friends said he used it once and he enjoyed it. Though his cmos battery died and the OS bricked so he switched to Linux Mint. Installing arch might take around 30 min or an hour so it's not the hardest thing ever. I would recommend the archinstall script but that has never worked for me, if you can manage to use that script, setup is even easier.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68z11VAYMS8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-mLyrHonvU

    [–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

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    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

    Manjaro had a lot of dark history in past. Just use fedora workstation and chill.

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I don’t get the complains about snap apps. My firefox opens near instant, even after a reboot. Maybe they fixed that with Lunar Lobster? That’s the first Ubuntu I installed on my PC since Ubuntu 9.04.

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I have installed Firefox in my machine and the difference is around 3 seconds.

    For me, how my system feels is pretty important. If something isn't snappy, my stress levels start to rise. So those 3 seconds do make a difference. Some people might not care at all, which is understandable.

    If you don't care, use it, enjoy it. You're free to pick what matches your priorities and preferences.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I would care if it took 3s to start, after all I moved all my storage to NVMe for a reason. So I totally get why you would be annoyed with snaps, it’s just that in my experience there’s simply no noticeable startup time in 23.04, firefox opens in under a second. So they either fixed that in LL or you can outmuscle it with hardware, and I’m genuinely just curios which one it is.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

    I'm inclined for the second one. It would be pretty big news if they fixed it. My hardware is not bad but it isn't great either. I usually get laptops from my workplaces so my personal laptop is kinda old.

    Keep in mind that a lot of people use Linux exactly because they don't have good hardware specs.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

    @Snickers @pazukaza

    It used to be slow to start. I think I heard >5 seconds, but I don't have any first hand experience.

    [–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Isn't Arch a lot of manual compilation? Like I do that shit for work, I don't want to do it in my free-time too.

    [–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    No, Arch has recompiled packages. Maybe you think of Gentoo?

    [–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

    Even then it's not "manual compilation", it's all automated.

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

    Ah, I'm probably thinking of Gentoo, yes.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

    manual compilation aka >compile this like-this

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    22.04 LTS gang

    Honestly, it’s kinda my default general purpose linux distro at this point. Set it up bare bones and headless, rip out snap, and do what you want.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    22.04 is fucking spectacular. Now that it's got 10 years of free support.... I don't know what I'm gonna do.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    @gravitas_deficiency @alcasa

    I personally use #NixOS. The declarative nature of it is so nice.

    It enables me to share common configuration between different computers while still allowing host specific differences without relying on hacky solutions like #chezmoi.

    Not knocking chezmoi, it's great and I used it for years, I just prefer the home-manager module for NixOS.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I have seen a lot about Nix recently, and I must admit I’m really intrigued. I definitely want to play around with it more. Conceptually, it does sound pretty cool.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    @gravitas_deficiency

    I like it, but don't expect it to save you any time unless your managing 3+ computers.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Yeah, it definitely seems aimed way more at cluster deployments. Still, a very cool concept to tailor the OS towards.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

    @gravitas_deficiency

    While it is definitely amazing for cluster deployments, Nix, the package manager behind the OS came out of the creators PhD thesis.

    It is quite a successful attempt to make builds completely reproducible. NixOS, is what you get when you build a distro around a package manager, rather than a package manager around a distro.

    I use it as my daily driver these days, and haven't had any issues with it for gaming, and due to the way its package manager works, I prefer it for development over anything else.

    It is the most stable and unbreakable system I have ever used, despite using the unstable repos. It also has the most up to date repo on linux. As far as unique packages, it is a close second to the AUR, but it is catching up.

    It isn't for everyone, and may be betamax to containerization when it comes to software development, but for the time being, I cannot see it going away anytime soon.

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

    I moved to simpler distros after years of using Arch and derivatives.. I just can't be arsed any more.