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By Henri Astier BBC News


Israel has suggested that the long-term aim of its military campaign in Gaza is to sever all links with the territory.

Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant said that once Hamas had been defeated, Israel would end its "responsibility for life in the Gaza Strip".

Before the conflict, Israel supplied Gaza with most of its energy needs and monitored imports into the territory.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Details on the hotel bombing?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That was in 1946. How many peace treaties and ceasefires have there been between them and the current conflict?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The start of a trend does tend to be earlier than everything that follows.... I'm not sure how or why you think that's a valid point.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because if any conflict between people, even ones that have been resolved, can be used to justify current violence; there's no concievable violence that can ever be unjustified.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My bad. Imagine civilians killed in the original slave raid weren't Jewish.

Take your own advice boss.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am. If the IDF had conducted a slave raid into Gaza I'd be calling on the US to partner with the world to enact regime change and bring the perpetrators to justice.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bro, gaza is a open air concentration camp where people are routinely scooped up, held without charges and released randomly and indeed some of those people claim to have been at work camps.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2021-07-29/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/israel-secretly-detained-innocent-palestinians-in-desert-camps-in-1971/0000017f-e534-df5f-a17f-fffe499e0000

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

An investigative report reveals that hundreds of Gazans, including families of suspected Fatah terrorists, and young men not suspected of anything were jailed in detention camps in 1971 for almost a year

In 1971. Do you have an example from this century? Most Gazans are 18 years old or younger.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People can still read and absorb oral tradition. Most of this dispute is based on shit from 3000 years ago saying 100 years is too far for it to matter is objectively idiotic.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also how routine is it if the last time it happened was 1971?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh ii see t's ok to do just don't do it often, gotcha.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

where people are routinely scooped up

That was your characterization of the situation on the ground in the Gaza Strip. That characterization is obviously incorrect. Pointing it out isn't some faux pas.

The issue here is that both sides have historically done evil shit in the region. But since the end of the Cold War, funding for overt traditional war by the Arab side has dried up and as such most of the atrocities done in the name of that war have too. But terrorism on the part of the Palestinians has risen dramatically. And that rise really can't be attributed to Israeli actions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's happened literally every day since 1948, Israel didn't even deny it. You've clearly not read much into the matter.

Palestinians are Arabs and I think that's where we stop because you're clearly just trolling and aren't quite aware of what you speak on.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You gave one example of it from 1971. Since 1971 there have been numerous peace agreements, cease fires and summits that were all designed to create a functional 2 state solution in the region and peace between Israel and her neighbors.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Correct, and Palestine is not the one breaching at the moment, Israel is. The settlements broke treaty and continue to let alone the war crime of walling in a population, cutting supplies and bonding them day and night often in areas Israel know are meant to be safe zones.

Stop simping, they're both shit, it's both their faults so stop already.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What treaty? The Palestinians backed out of the Oslo Accords that would have ended these settlements and Gaza was a unilateral action by Israel. Since then Hamas took over the strip and wholesale murdered the PA there. Agreements have been between Israel and the PA and Israel and Hamas.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They were illegal prior to the Oslo accords too.

You're trying real real hard to simp for Israel but you don't seem to have an actual point aside from "Palestine bad Israel good."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They were illegal prior to the Oslo accords too.

Palestine never agreed to the Oslo Accords. And this fight is taking place in Gaza, instigated by the government of Gaza which has had zero settlements since Israel forcibly removed all the settlers in 2004/2005.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't bring up the fucking Oslo accords! You did! At least keep track of your bullshit argument. Also there are settlements there right now, Israel doesnt deny it so stop simping.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What treaty made them illegal?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sweet christ, the Oslo accords.

Are we really at the point where you need the same answer twice even though the rest are in writing directly above?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Palestine didn't agree to the Oslo Accords. They've never been in force.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Sweet Christ you brought up the Oslo accords.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dude, your like 40 comments into a conversation no one cares about using a different username is just as obvious as using your regular username.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i'm not an alt of mwguy if that's what you're getting at. I sort by new comments and enjoyed this chain, but I wanna know more about the oslo accords.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

thank yooou, i'll read through this later! want me to respond when i'm done with it or?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not if the answer to it is to conduct a fresh genocide to remediate the issue. There are peace lines from 1967 that are broad enough where a defacto Arab state and a defacto Jewish state could live side by side. And since the mid 1990s it's been primarily Palestinians rejecting that idea on favor of advocating for genocide.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Clearly it did not work because the conflict is still ongoing and has been since like 12ad.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes but when peace doesn't work, the weaker party doesn't tend to prosper.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's not a point, that's a platitude.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Eh, it's a point. Starting an offensive war with a more prosperous, more militarized neighbor is a dumb move on the part of the attackers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not and stop double replying.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's an incredibly dumb move. Oh let me attack my bigger, stronger neighbor who provides most of of my utilities. Let me use my aid money to prepare flail uselessly fighting them instead of building up my country so I can actually defeat them.

Of in 2004 Hamas launches zero rockets from Gaza, launches zero terrorist acts from Gaza and instead smuggles all that gear into the West Bank and launches the same attacks from there. The whole world would be calling for an end to Israeli settlements in the West Bank and the establishment of the '67 borders there just like was done I'm Gaza.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Jesus Christ. Dude just stop, seriously. You don't have a point, take a nap or at the very least leave the grown ups alone.