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If conservatives would get out of the way and actually allow a true minimum wage vs the punative wage they enforce now, there would be no shame in a minimum wage lifestyle whatsoever. Many, many people do not have ambitions beyond living a reasonably small life, in a small home, with an average family and a handful of friends, taking the occasional vacation, retiring, and dying someplace familiar. Some say it's sad, others say it's human nature, either way it's a reality people need to reckon with; because that's what a lot of people picture when they say "there's more to life than chasing money".
Im asking if you would take one for the team, lower your requirement for life, maybe live paycheck to paycheck in order to reduce consumption. Im not saying 'take the occasional vacation'.. im saying maximum reduction in overall capital for circulation. Spend less. Would you be willing to live in poverty to reduce your emissions? Its a yes or no question
Everyone who hates capitalism so much, put your money where your mouth is. Stop spending on internet, dont buy those things you dont need, donate your extra cash to those in need. Stop larping and end capitalism... starting with your excess. You are part of the system you despise if you keep donating your extra funds to the capitalist systems. End that cycle. Prove the capitalists wrong.
I'm already doing most of that (for personal reasons). It won't change the world or even the country though. Real change won't come until we eat the rich.
It would be more helpful if you learn to own your piece of the problem. You can make a fraction of a tiny piece of a difference if you live well below your means. Not until more people embrace it, then no mass change will be made.
Think of it like this. If you give less money to the rich, they will have less money to spend. You kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
Welp, I sold my home and my car, quit my job, cut my spending down to essentials, power what I have left using solar .. looks around .. Yep we're still fucked!
I said a fraction of a percent. You can also say you dont care about your emissions and continue as is.
“The capitalists”
Motherfucker you ain’t fooling anyone.
Im using words you recognize. Trying to connect with you here. If you want to reduce your emissions, you should reduce monetary desire/expectation.
you're a tool who knows nothing
Just say
And ill leave you alone
You're victim blaming and it's gross.
They’re a Nazi playing make believe
I did nazi that coming. Knee slapper!
Me saying you are in control of the pollution you emit is considered a nazi take. That is absolute gold. I think I might print that out and frame it.
I think whats funniest is that you refuse to respond to me... might be because you know I am right maybe 🤔
no. i think the person you're pretending to play at would have an understanding of class and materialism and you clearly, clearly do not.
The very first comment blames capitalism for pollution but refuses to acknowledge they are lumped into that problem. I am merely trying to convince you guys that if you truly believe that capitalism is the problem, then take a stand and stop being capitalists. Revert to being a hunter gatherer for all I care. Dont pretend that this as a sort of materialist-class dynamic thing, this is a thought excercise as to why people blame capitalism for everything but cant resist to actively participate. If capitalism is the boogeyman then stop pretending that you dont love the stuff it produces.
Its funny because I have asked this question to a ton of people who call themselves self proclaimed anticapitalists. Every single time I ever ask this question it devolves into an explanation that they are more bitter that they dont make more money, not that they hate capitalism.
So tell me, if you actually think that this is a class thing. Class meaning you just inherently desire more material wealth to buy more and nicer things. This isnt about pollution. Nobody cares about that.
You’re a moron
You dont even try to rebuttal because you live in denial
Lol what? Victim blaming? You arent a victim you are a co-perpetrator. Everyone on earth is not a victim of some ellaborate scheme to raise pollution. You are a contributor.
Damn you sure owned that guy! "Oh you don't like, global warming? Just go live like an ascetic for the rest of your life. That won't affect the course of climate change, but at least you won't be a hypocrite!"
Fuck off with that shit. Take your gottems to Twitter or some shit
I was basically asking "how much does your emissions really matter to you". If you dont care about how much your dollar being spent on stupid shit emits pollution then just say that. Say you are blissfully ignorant and refuse to change your ways because you are a baby and hope someone fixes problems you contribute towards.
My "contribution" to this "problem"? In the context of global climate change, my contribution is a miniscule, worthless fraction, a grain of sand in the Sahara. It is NOT RELEVANT to the conversation around climate change because it's presence or absence changes nothing.
Your attempts to paint global warming as the product of individual action completely misses the point, and you wind up simply doing damage control for the oil barons, car manufacturers and jet-setters that are actually the cause.
Please lecture me as to how the people who sell things for the people are responsible for the things people choose to buy.
You can start a movement to reduce your consumption but you would probably not convince anyone. Not even anti capitalists want to reduce their consumption. Its much easier to blame oil barrons and car manufacturers rather than you wanting to enable them. Im sure you are looking forward to buying your next car or your new house or go on that European adventure you were looking forward to or buy a new gym outfit or go to that new bar or buy that new game or.... thats just life right? Im sure you cant even imagine your life without those desires. And yet its their fault for providing that for you.
Im also sure you know nothing about supply chain. Nothing about regulation emissions. Nothing about reducing... but its so easy to say 'eat the rich' as if thats a catch all solution.
Do i say lead by example.
The car manufacturers wrote the zoning laws that turned America into a car-dependent hellscape. The oil barons lobby against every single initiative/bill that would reduce consumption of oil. In absence of government directives/incentives, people will simply do what is cheapest which, in a system designed by capitalists, is environmentally-unfriendly consumption. You seem to think that everyone who doesn't want average global temperatures to rise should simply stop consuming goods, but doing that on a scale that will actually change anything is stupidly unrealistic and possibly cataclysmic for our current economic system.
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