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I know I'm supposed to want it to keep going up as a wealth generator or whatever.

But like... I wouldn't be able to afford the monthly payments if I bought my house right now and it's scary. Also none of my friends are buying homes, none of them are even renting full places. Just like renting rooms.

So what are your feelings home owners of lemmy?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Hey, newer homeowner here. If the housing market crashes, does that actually affect me at all? Or is it just like, I can't profit if I wanted to sell my house or some shit

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It would ruin our equity. So no selling or refinancing for awhile.

It would mostly hurt people selling, renting, renovating, and building homes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

good, fuck em. Seeing houses as an equity Builder was retarded in the first place. It's literally not sustainable, if it's supposed to constantly appreciate value no matter what it means that there is an ultimate threshold where it becomes unaffordable for everyone.

A house is a place to live, not a fucking financial asset to make money with.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I would be an equity builder even if the price was flat. Which would honestly be ideal. Of course the built in rent control doesn't hurt either.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Everything can be an asset to make money with. Before money it was bartering and you can bet your ass the home was an asset back then too. Humans value the creation of things. Assets of created thing will always exist.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Ah, that makes sense. Thank you!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

This is very region dependent. But here in Canada we have 25-30 year mortgages broken up into 5 year terms, every 5 years we renegotiate our interest rate and have the option to switch lenders.

If your house value were to drop 75%, it might make it harder to switch lenders (does a bank want to lend you more than what the house is now worth).

I think there is an escape hatch here where if you stay with the same lender they will still accept you, but I honestly don't know much about the specifics.

Things would need to get pretty bad for this to actually matter (and I suspect the government might step in if it became widespread)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It can. The housing market doesn't impact all properties across the board, and some neighborhoods get away unscathed while others are devastated.

In the worst case scenario, having a downturn can cause a "buyer's market", where there are more people trying to sell their house than there are prospective buyers, so they have the power to negotiate much better deals. If you purchased your house 10 years ago for 200k, and in that time it appreciated to 400k, and then there was a sudden market downturn and it lost 50% of it's value, your house would be worth about what you paid for it, but all your equity is gone, so you don't profit but you are also not totally screwed.

If you bought your house for 400k right before the market downturn, you will be "underwater", and own a property that is worth less than what you paid for it, meaning that if you tried to sell you wouldn't get enough to cover the mortgage you owe to the lender. Forget about profit at that point.

If you plan to live in the house you are in now until you die, then none of that matters at all, really. In fact, having market downturns benefits you in that scenario because if your property is worth less money (relative to all the properties around you) you pay less in taxes and insurance. But most people don't plan on living in the same house forever. They might want to move to a nicer house, or one in a better location, or downsize when their kids move out, etc. so it's usually seen as a bad thing when the market crashes because you have to spend years building equity and loan amortization means that for the initial few years of your mortgage payment, you are basically paying off the interest only and barely denting the principal.