this post was submitted on 26 Sep 2023
345 points (100.0% liked)
Technology
37695 readers
306 users here now
A nice place to discuss rumors, happenings, innovations, and challenges in the technology sphere. We also welcome discussions on the intersections of technology and society. If it’s technological news or discussion of technology, it probably belongs here.
Remember the overriding ethos on Beehaw: Be(e) Nice. Each user you encounter here is a person, and should be treated with kindness (even if they’re wrong, or use a Linux distro you don’t like). Personal attacks will not be tolerated.
Subcommunities on Beehaw:
This community's icon was made by Aaron Schneider, under the CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license.
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
I suspect that if we taught our people to value education, and made it easily available to them, we wouldn't need to enshrine this particular issue (or many others for that matter) in law.
You cannot teach an extremist to value an education when education destroys extremism.
At a certain point people have to be simply told they are wrong and made to acquiesce to the will of the majority. This is one of those instances.
That doesn't sound dangerous at all!
Christians are the majority in the USA, would you rather they enshrine into law you must believe in Jesus?
What you most likely mean is that you want to force other people to follow your point of view, which is a dangerous power when granted to everybody, not just the people you agree with.
I'm not saying I disagree with you on this issue, just that the method of enacting change should adapt to be one where the people changing want to change, and consent to it, because you've convinced them - not because you've forced them, whether physically or situationally.
It may shock you, but the overwhelming majority of Christians would never stand for this.
My experience with American Christianity teaches me that there are three main types (of course, subtypes exist within each type).
ser the word "they" exists 😂
Haha! I did that first, but didn't want to offend anyone, and redid. So, instead, apparently, I went with s/he, her/his... not sure that's better hahahaha
as an expert^1^ I can affirm that singular usage of they/them is absolutely acceptable in polite conversation with people who may be non-binary or with people whom you don't wish to assume what gender they identify as.
1 - Why am I claiming I am an expert? I'm nonbinary and trans myself; and I moderated /r/genderqueer for a long time; so I do see trends.
You mean say, "they is"? I can't do that. As an early ESL student, "they are" was hammered into me, and using plural noun as a singular noun, or vice versa, physically hurts me (as in, it actually causes me anxiety to say it). I don't mind hearing it, though. If this is not what you meant, would you mind elaborating?
No; afaik as a native speaker we use "they are". Even when using them in the singular form.
I can't do anything about your reaction. Using they as a singular word has been valid for a long time. (at least 10 years)
https://grammarist.com/usage/they/ https://www.verywellmind.com/they-them-pronouns-7110726
The article is dated 2023, which kind of adds to it's modern validity, so thank you for that. It does mention the use of "they are" referring to a singular person, as early as 1375. Looking into that further (off article), its use was generally only accepted when the gender of the person/animal was unknown. Regardless, I don't have an issue saying "they are" when referring to an individual (a Trans, for example). The hella annoying physical reaction is when I try to use "they is". So, follow-up question: "they are my friend" when referring to a Trans is fine? I mean, I don't have to use "they is my friend"?
God the religion vs. faith thing, I'm glad to see someone articulate it. It's bizarre to me how many people are seemingly super hardcore into their religion as a social club, but if you observe them closely they come across like "believing it" is just a game they play for the sake of staying in.
The frequent 'S/he' s make it so tiring to get through this. And calling one of them a 'true Christian' seems a bit biased.
It's all very generalized. I was hoping that was clear. How is it biased calling someone who falls fully into cat1 a True Christian? I'm seriously asking. I'm not starting a fight. I'm genuinely curious how I messed it up.
I just wanted to say that you nailed this perfectly.
Christians may be a majority. But extremist Christians with desires on invading privacy and enforcing their religion on others are a minority.
The ending phrase “this is one of those instances” implies they aren’t arguing the point to the same degree you are.
edit: also, the example you provide isn’t really a concern because freedom of religion is currently a guaranteed constitutional right, and if republicans want to repeal that then guns are also entirely on the table. A better example would be gay marriage, where the majority told the conservative minority to stick it and get over it.
My implication was that we teach them before they become extremists.
But I'll agree that fixing the situation we have already would also be worthwhile.